eric_3212h Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 Well I am restoring a 3212h. After getting the carb and magneto working I got it to start. Much to my dismay the pump gasket is leaking on the hydro unit. I called vickers and there is no seal kit available for this particular pump. Any suggestions would be much appreciated
MDB Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 Welcome to the club Eric,:) The 3212H is a really nice machine you will get a lot of work and enjoyment out of it. As for the leaking Vickers, the topic has came up from time to time and I think someone here should have information on repairing it. This is a great site with a wealth of Info and knowledge, enjoy...8D^
thedaddycat Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 I don't know about a seal kit, but I recall a post about a company that would rebuild the Vickers hydro unit. I don't remember any details, someone else recall who it was?
powerking_one Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 Eric, How about trying the folks at Attica? It's right in the >resources>links>service & repair info section. http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/Portal_Links.asp?catid=9&cattitle= Cheers, Tom(PK)
Salthart Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 If you do find a fix for this, please post it here. I have a 3415 H with the same hydro. This was my grandfathers tractor and I am planning to restore it ground up. Hydro parts and decals are my only real worries. Thanks Salt
Brent_Baumer Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 Former club pres DLC, can rebuild them or have them rebuilt. He was pricey though IMO (no offense meant Dave). There was a place in Illinois called Central Hydraulics that would install pintle shaft bushings (most common leak point) and test the pump for $100 plus shipping but I have forgotten what city they are in. Brent
PhanDad Posted September 3, 2003 Posted September 3, 2003 Here's some links where the topic was discussed before: http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20476 http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=273&SearchTerms=vickers,rebuild http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=1658&SearchTerms=vickers,rebuild
eric_3212h Posted September 4, 2003 Author Posted September 4, 2003 Thanks all for the info. As the leak is just a gasket, I really don't want to pay high price hydraulic work cost for a simple leak if at all possible to avoid it. I was hoping there was someone with a NOS seal kit (according to the Eaton rep ( the ones who bought Vickers out) this seal set was available from them and Simplcity not to many years ago). If worse comes to worse has anyone tried to make a gasket from the gasket stock like auto parts stores carry? I'm wondering if a hydro has to much pressure to attempt this. Or what type of material to use for it? Another thought has anyone tried silicone sealant like blak RTV? I got more time than money so i'm pretty much open to anything to get this well built free lawnmower to running. I've had so much fun restoring this thing it would really be bad to run into a dead end at this point.
thedaddycat Posted September 4, 2003 Posted September 4, 2003 With a hydraulic system, the absolute cleanliness of the system is paramount to long life. To use something like RTV in a spot where it could under any imaginable condition end up in the unit............ well, I'll let you draw your own conclusion on that one.
Salthart Posted September 4, 2003 Posted September 4, 2003 I have seen the end result of "RTV" in a hydro. Its not pretty..And it only took a tiny amount..( smaller than a BB ) Salt
thedaddycat Posted September 5, 2003 Posted September 5, 2003 I emailed Attica Hydraulic exchange, here's wjat they sent for a price... "If your unit is a pump motor combination as I believe that is what was used on these then the following would apply. Est. Cost to remanufacture your unit $750.00 Would need model number to see if we can supply from stock. Core value $75 - $100 depending on the model. Regards, Bill" So it's about $850 with shipping, tax, etc. I would guess to have a new Vickers for your tractor. Got an extra old one, maybe work a deal to send two and get one good one back, save on the cost a bit...
eric_3212h Posted September 8, 2003 Author Posted September 8, 2003 Alright guys you talked me out of the RTV. I will try the black gasket material and let you know how it worked. I know the pump is leaking at gasket point not shaft becuse I have completely disassembled the pump and found the big blown out side. Went ahead and polished the pistons and valve seat The pump seemed O.K. as far as pull goes and direction change , just poured the fluid out everywhere. Guess it will be fun cutting out the gasket from the stock. Will advise as to how this turns out.
eric_3212h Posted September 18, 2003 Author Posted September 18, 2003 The gasket material worked! no leaks !!
jkmustang1 Posted September 18, 2003 Posted September 18, 2003 good my AC312h has a leaking vickers too what type of material did you use? what was it made of?
eric_3212h Posted September 21, 2003 Author Posted September 21, 2003 Jon I used the rubber impregnated type from Auto Zone
eric_3212h Posted September 21, 2003 Author Posted September 21, 2003 Jon also this was not fun to cut out . I used a punch with diffrent size heads to get the holes right size but still had to use razor for the large ones . You will need an O-ring assortment to .
jkmustang1 Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 Eric I have a rotating leather punch is that the type you mean? As for the O-rings they are standard inch sizes not metric right? Thanks for the help.
dlcentral Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 o-ring u get at lowes std size get the neopreme ones,,gasket is still avail. from Sim,..
eric_3212h Posted September 29, 2003 Author Posted September 29, 2003 Jon I used a standard punch that has diffrent size heads that screw on. As for o-rings I bought a large assortment kit from Napa auto parts. Only gasket from simplicity is the one that goes between pump and rear end housing. Simplicity does not support the pump anylonger and Vickers sold out and the new company doesn't make anymore. I did follow the Attica link above and emailed them. They have a couple kits left but want $65 plus shipping for one. I'm tight with my cash and can't see paying that much when a little DIY could fix the problem. good luck Eric
jkmustang1 Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 OK but when I tell my local simplicity dealer they say they have no cross over list for that tractor and have not seen one to know what fits a AC 312h. AC does not support the tractor AC dealer in small town ten miles from here can't find anything on them.
Scotmo Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 These guys have worked for me on some pretty oddball seals and bearings. If you have the physical measurments and half a description chances are they can find it. We have a salesman at my place of employment who has found just about anything I have ask for including parts for a 1923 Dodge Brothers truck. Hope this helps....Scot http://web.applied.com/base.cfm?page_id=1506
eric_3212h Posted October 2, 2003 Author Posted October 2, 2003 Jon crossover list? Simplicity only has the large o-ring that is in between the pump and rear end. I made all three paper gaskets in side the vickers from the old ones as a pattern for around the edges and punched out the holes with punch. This thing comes apart in pieces just make sure you note where everything goes and use the old gaskets (if that is where yours is leaking from) as a template to make new ones. If you can clean all fluid off pump and try to find where it leaks from you might not have to tear apart whole pump. If you got the money it would be easiest to contact Bill at ATTICA and get the whole kit. The model # on my pump was on the inside face of the metal piece that connects the pump and motor so you have to take apart just to find it . My pump model is t66x-2as4-10-503 if that helps for yours.
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