Brent_Baumer Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Been involved in a few posts here RE: Shuttles. Many say they are problematic, others say they've had no problems in 20+ years of use and love 'em. The club auction shuttle is the first one I've had that was drive-able. After tooling around on it for awhile I must say it isn't that much different than a hydro. I can see mowing with it in 2nd or 3rd and just leaving it in gear the whole time, just shifting between foward and reverse with the lever without clutching like a hydro. Don't plan on owning this one for long (obviously), but must admit I wouldn't be afraid of owning another if I ever decided to sell off my hydros or if they developed fatal problems. I will say this, I prefer the operation of the shuttle over a 3 speed or a 6 speed for sure, still second place to a hydro though but not my that much. Brent
JoeJ Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Brent, I have a 410S, I mowed with it a few times and it worked just fine. I think the electric PTO is bad, and after reading the posts in here I parked it in the barn and covered it up. After reading recent posts I plan on getting it back out, fixing the clutch and running it!! As you said, when I was mowing with it, I found it a close second to my hydro ford. [img]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/uploaded/JoeJ/joej_sig2.gif[/img]
BigSix Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Brent: Is a shuttle the same thing as a "variable?" I looked at a 3310V for my Dad, but it was missing some parts, as I saw at least one pulley hanging out with nothing to do, and it wasn't on the center PTO, where that would be normal. Also, it had a lever on the r/h side, which I first thought went to an electric lift, but I then deduced was part of the "v", as it went back near the transaxle, but was hooked to thin air. Just wondered what I was looking at, and if shuttle = variable. Thanks, Peter
PatRarick Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 The shuttle is completely different then a variable. The transmission on shuttle tractors has no reverse. Reverse is replaced by a fourth gear. The shuttle uses a planetary setup with a brake band to reverse the input rotation to the transmission. In any of the four gears, the shuttle lever is used to change direction of travel. On a variable speed, the pulley sheaves on both the transmission and the BGB move. The sheaves on the BGB move closer together, essentially increasing pulley diameter, or farther apart, decreasing pulley diameter. The sheaves on the transmission pulley move opposite of those on the BGB. As the sheaves on one pulley move closer together, the drive belt is pushed up to the larger diameter, while being pulled down into the smaller diameter of the other pulley. Changing the size of the pulleys in this way gives you several speed ranges in each of the three forward gears or in reverse. The variable speed is not a light duty setup. It has been used for many years on large farm equipment. Pat
thedaddycat Posted September 6, 2003 Posted September 6, 2003 Peter, the pulley you saw may hae been the idler pulley for the variable drive, if the belt was missing. I have several variable drive tractors and some parts too. If that 3310 V is a good deal, snap it up and then we can see about getting you the parts you need....
johnerj Posted September 7, 2003 Posted September 7, 2003 Speaking of problematic, I have two 6216 both with trans problems. This is a 3 speed with the variator pulley. I love them for tilling, but I am begining to wonder about the life of these tranny's. I just bought a AC616 hydro and just love it, but it won't run the tiller! If I could use my 616 for tilling I would just sell the 6216's.
BigSix Posted September 7, 2003 Posted September 7, 2003 Daddycat: My friend, that's very kind of you, and I do appreciate it. However, I was not that impressed with this particular tractor, based on its condition. It is a 10hp (I think it says Landlord on it) and the decals say it's a 3310V. And it has what is surely a 42" deck under it--all for $200. That being said, it's been sitting out for enough years to make the biggest dry rot cracks I've ever seen in the rear tires. I believe the last time it ran was on the "say so" of whomever it's current neglector obtained it from, although the engine does spin freely. And as I say, I don't know what the variable is supposed to look like, but what is there is hacked and missing pieces. If it were a larger h.p. tractor, or a hydro, I'd have a reason to get it. But we have a perfectly servicable 2110 w/ 42" deck and 32" blower, for my Dad, who's main interest for this machine is snowblowing, and I have a 42" deck and dozer blade for my Wonderboy. Personally, I'd like to find my Dad a higher h.p. hydro, (ideally a Powermax) and wouldn't mind paying more for it, obviously. (That's easy to say, as he's paying for his own tractor.:D) If anyone is interested in this tractor, I can give you directions. It's outside of Clayton, NY, which is on the St. Lawrence river, roughly 1.5 hours north of Syracuse, NY, straight up Rt. 81 for most of the way. Pat--thanks for the explanation--that really helps as I have yet to see a (intact, at least) Variable, a Shuttle, or even a Hi-Lo, although I believe I do understand how the Hi-Lo is set up. But as for the first two, they might as well be made out of unicorn horn, as rare as they seem to be in NYS. So your "compare and contrast" was very helpful.
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