thedaddycat Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 Kent is letting me have the tranny and scraps from one of his recent finds, and I'll be putting some of my pile to use in building a double axle rig like the one Bunky posted pics of. I'm thinking I'll make it drive with both sets of rear wheels and I'd like to make them both dual wheeled also. I was thinking of using narrower tires though, to make it look more like an old fashioned delivery truck. I have some 5-12 tires and wheels from a walking tractor, and one set that's even 4-12. What I need input on is the artistic end of things.... Does anyone know of a site that has a lot of pics of old trucks? I like the basic "Delivery Truck" profile that the other guy had made, but think a stretched frame would look better. It's almost like making a scaled down replica, but not exactly since there's never been anything like whatever it ends up as.... I'd also be very grateful if anyone can scrounge up a couple more sets of narrow tires/wheels. I'll post pics of the normal 6-12 along side of the 5-12 and 4-12 ones so you can get an idea of what it is I'm after....
ReedS Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 I would think as long as you can find a main drive belt to the first trans that's long enough that you would be able to stretch the wheelbase accordingly. I've never seen a 4-12 or a 5-12 so that should be interesting. Maybe instead of a hydraulic lift you could have a hydraulic tilt bed for acess to the tranny's,should be able to mount hydraulic piston between the now extended frame rails,right behind the bgb.
thedaddycat Posted October 22, 2003 Author Posted October 22, 2003 Do you recall the hydraulic rig I had at Colchester that I removed from the Wonder Boy??? Well, the pump can be mounted anywhere you can get a belt to power it... So if it happens to be, oh I don't know(do you think it'd fit where the OEM hydraulic lift did?), somewhere like between the BGB and the trannys and run off the right side PTO pulley like some of the older tractors used to power the early vac systems. Maybe mounted so the pump shaft sticks out through the tranny plate and the pulley gets mounted onto the pump shaft after the pump is set in place. It would be easy to rig an idler pulley out of an old center PTO so you only engage the hydraulic pump when you need it, like to lift the dump bed...... Now you have live hydraulics any time the engine is running(and the pump is engaged, assuming you build it that way) either in or out of gear and with the clutch either in or out .... The thing I like about this system is that you can mount the operating handle just about anywhere you want it. It's not attached to the pump/tank like the OEM ones are.
Boney Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Daddycat, If you are looking for pics of older trucks this is about the best place I know of. http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm
tractormike Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Daddycat, I read an article about a guy who built a 4 wheel drive john deere tractor. He connected the second rear end to the first rear end by using the brake hub shafts. As long as both rearends have the same gear ratios and the brake shafts are connected on a 1 to 1 ratio everything should work. The advantage to this system is that you only have to shift the first rear end and you leave the second rear end in neutral,but both rear ends drive. He didn't really explain how he did it other than he used a couple of 90 degree gearboxes to connect the brake shafts. Maybe this will give you some ideas. Mike
rokon2813 Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Kirk, another consideration for ya. Since its a scaled down model of a truck, for rear tires your talking turfs? Would you consider 12" auto snow tires "for the artistic end of things"? I used to know of a good supply of then cheap that I can check on if you like. Last I knew they were $5 each for NOS if they are still there. I saw them around May or so. Might even be able to dig up a couple pair of 5 x 12 ags if you go that way too. Also what style wheels? Single center hole in the hub or 5 bolt wheels? Ive been "collecting" parts for a similar project so I may have tires and wheels no matter which way you go. My "project" calls for 10 12" straight rib trailer tires and 8 8" straight rib steer tires so we might can do some "swappin", thoughI may use 8 of the car "snows" for drives if they are plentiful enough. Also how are you doing the duals? I'm using 12" pvc pipe for the spacers and might have enough for an extra set. For those of you guessing its a mini cabover 18 wheeler with about a 12 or 14 ft dropdeck. Keep us informed and let me know if you need anything. I'll see what I can dig up.
HubbardRA Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Kirk, If you want to get fancy, use only the axle, diff, and hubs from the second tranny. Build a couple of trailing arms and mount the axle with pillowblock bearings to these arms. Mount motorcycle coil-over springs to allow the arms to move up and down for rough ground. link the second diff to the first with a motorcycle chain by mounting a sprocket where the drive tube should connect and mounting a similar sprocket to the diff in the first tranny. This will give you one tranny, two working diffs, and tandem axle drive, with flex for driving rough ground. Just an idea.
thedaddycat Posted October 23, 2003 Author Posted October 23, 2003 I had thought of that, but if I go that route I'd put the tranny at the rear and the "Slave Axle" in front of it so I could still mount rear implements. How cool would it be to have a dump bed and still have a hydro lift?? Here are the 6-12, 5-12, and 4-12 side by side. Use a little imagination and you get the gist of it. These are the other set of 5-12s, they are mounted on the normal 5 hole rims like most tractors have on the rear. At least it sure looks like it, though to be honest I have not tried to fit them up yet... I have a set of 6-12 snow tires on wheels, but Rob has them right now. We put them on that 2010 we split when he needed the ag tires for another tractor. I had wanted to go with the narrower tires because the old trucks like I'm hoping to have it look like had them. If you go to this post, I was thinking along the lines of the truck that's in the pic that is 7th up from the bottom. It has a green hood and wooden cab.... That guy had a belt driven rig for pressing cider that ran off the rear wheel. He had the back end jacked up on stands and the truck sat there idling in gear to turn the belt. In fact, that's what they're doing there... http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22305
Kent Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Kirk, I have a pair of 6 X 12 ags (may be 5 X 12s) that are mounted, but they're very worn and checked... Would probably work on the inside though.
HubbardRA Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Kirk, I would donate to the cause if I had any. Smallest I have is four 7.50x12 turf tires. I have four large 26x12x12 tires. Was thinking about using these big ones as duals on a front end loader.
rokon2813 Posted October 23, 2003 Posted October 23, 2003 Hey that 2 wheel looks like a Garden-Aid brand.
thedaddycat Posted November 1, 2003 Author Posted November 1, 2003 Garden Maid I thought it was, the paint is almost gone in that part of the decal. That's the one the Clinton engine I had at Colchester is from. Anyhow, I contacted Tucker Tire and told them what I had in mind. They said that these were probably as close as I could get to what I wanted. They are a 4-12 size tire so I would probably have to cut down some rims for them. The 4-12 tires I have on that two wheeled walker are on spoke wheels......... What do you all think? Would these replicate the look of the old trucks?
rokon2813 Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 Yes those would loook like old triuck tires. Nice choice if thats what you end up with. Garden-Aid id easily identifyable by the flat steel framework copied from Bready but GA is the only manufacturer that ever used that bowling pin looking handle.
rokon2813 Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 Kirk and anyone else interested. this will give you a little info on the Gardenaid tractor http://www.geocities.com/gardenaidtractors/
HubbardRA Posted November 3, 2003 Posted November 3, 2003 Kirk You shouldn't have to cut down six inch wheels to use the 4 inch tires if you use tubes. In fact this may give them more of an old time look. Remember that the older tiles had wide sidewalls but only a skinny tread.
Agricola Posted November 3, 2003 Posted November 3, 2003 I am thinking of this same setup for a Broadmoor. The reasons I am considering it is because of the floating rear end. I have to figure out a way to get it to float front to back. I am thinking of adding a pulley to the front drive unit which would snake to the rear unit. Typically I would only use the front drive since the shifter would be located in its handy place but I could use the back shifter, from the seat I hope when the going get tougher. But this is another project for the future, I have quite a few other ones to get done first.
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