DaleC Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I went to a Good Year dealer the other day. During our discussion, He said that he put 10.5/23-12 in place all the time for turf tires that were 8.5/23-12. He says that the tire would work fine on that rim. Was he just wanting to sell me those carlisle 4ply super lugs he had in stock or do you think that they would really work alright. Price mounted with six gallon of fluid was $69 each. If heavy and stiff mean anything, those were awfully nice tires.
tractormike Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 Dale, I put a set of Titan tru power 26x12x12 lug tires on a set of rims that had 23x10.50x12 tires on them. They work fine but the narrower rim makes lugs of the tire not set perfectly flat. On a hard surface the lugs do not make contact all the way across. This has not been a problem for me. The tires look ok on the rims and as soon as the tractor starts to dig into the dirt a little bit all the lug makes contact. I got these tires cheap otherwise I may have bought the corrct size for the rims. If it was possible maybe you could ask to see a set of those tires mounted on the narrower rims to see how they look. Is the dealer putting tubes in the tires when he is putting fluid in them? Some don't which may not be a problem unless they are not full enough of fluid to make sure the rim is entirely covered by fluid. I put tubes in my tires and then used windshield washer fluid for weight. The washer fluid isn't quite as heavy per gallon of calcium chloride mixed with water but it isn't corrosive like the chloride is. The price for the tires seems pretty good. My two cents worth.
BrownA Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I have heard you can have problems with the tire bead breaking because the tire is actually too big for the rim. Because it's too wide the edge that seals against the rim does not sit at the correct angle. It might work but I think your looking for problems.
DaleC Posted October 26, 2003 Author Posted October 26, 2003 Mr. Brown and Mr. Mike, As much as I would like to have the wider tire, I think that 8.5 are going to be the ticket. Surely someone will be willing to mount me up with fluid (it was washer fluid he priced me with no tube) for a decent price. It seems that the 8.5 is not a real popular size and therefore not stocked. I to was worried about the tread rolling with the narrower rim. I will say that that was as stiff and heavy a tire as I have had my hands on.
Kent Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I've never tried using the wider tires on a rim... but I've watched another clubmember break the seals on his 10.50 tires that were mounted on 8.50 rims... more than once. IMO, if you're going wider than original -- add tubes, or be prepared for problems....
DaleC Posted October 26, 2003 Author Posted October 26, 2003 I agree Kent. The more I think about it, He kept the 10.5 in stock for the cadet dealer who wanted them. That was what he had and that was what He wanted to sell. I am going for the 8.5.
ReedS Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 Yup that was me, I have the 10.5's on the 8 in rims and yes I popped the bead off the rim. Twice in one day and at a show too.:(! Don't really know why since it hasn't happened since then. If you go with the 10's I would absolutley recommend tubes. My 10's are also 6 ply which is overkill (which is part of the problem) 4 ply tires are all you need IMO.
MikeES Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 On my AC/Sim tractors, with factory tires of both 8.5 and 10.5, the rims are all the same width. The 8.5 look small for the rim while the 10.5 look just right. These are post 1970 tractors.
PatRarick Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I installed Carlisle 23-10.50-12 ag tires on my standard rims and the to tire profile was definately not correct. They took on a shallow oval shape and the lugs were not flat with the ground. I finally mounted these tires on the wide rims of my 3112 and they fit perfectly. The standard rims for my 8.5 and 10.5 tires are, I believe, 8" wide. Seems to me the rims on the 3112 were 10" wide. Pat
MPH Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 Just went and put a framing sq. on my 10.5 on the B-112, that are on 8.5 rims cuz I always thought they looked pretty flat across the tread. About the outter 2 inches of the bar is 5/8 of an inch from touching the sq. Sure doesn't look it, but guess I'm losing some bite, though in any dirt work I've put it too I've had plenty of traction..MPH
UCD Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 In ag tire nomeclature 23 = Tire diameter = 23 inches 10.5 = Wheel width = 10.5 inches recomended with 12 = Wheel diameter = 12 inches
rjgoth Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 Do you know where one can get a pair of stock looking 23 8.50 or 10.50 - 12 tires? I have been looking around for a new set of tires, but have not had any luck getting this stock looking tire. Thank you, Ryan
DaleC Posted October 26, 2003 Author Posted October 26, 2003 What do you mean by stock looking. Have a picture. There are several manufacturers of ag bar tires. Check the links that are a part of this site. http://www.carlisletire.com/ http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/
rjgoth Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 Thanks for the helpful links Dale. By "stock looking" I am referring to the tires that came stock on say an early model Landlord (66') or Allis B-10 tractor. Mine were made by Goodyear and are original from 1966, they are cracked and have seen better days so I want to find a tire that is as close appearing as those that came on this tractor. Thanks again, Ryan
rjgoth Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I was looking at the Carlisle website and I found a model that most closely resembles the tread pattern of the original tires for this tractor they are -- CARLISLE TURF KING 23 8.50-12 Sorry this is a bit off topic, I just thought that I would pass this on. Thanks again Dale! Huge help for me. Ryan
DaleC Posted October 26, 2003 Author Posted October 26, 2003 Since Goodyear is out of the lawn and garden business that particular Carlisle is probably the closest you can get. If you are going to work the tractor, use what you want. If you want to show then find some originals or use the ones you have. I work mine. That's why I need to get a set of ag bar tires. Glad I could help. Enjoy your tractor!:D
gregc Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I could find no CARLISLE TURF KING at the Carlisle website. I did find the tire at the Cedar Rapids website, but look closely at the picture. It is a picture of a Goodyear tire. Has anyone here actually bought this CARLISLE TURF KING that could verify it's looks as compared to a Goodyear Terra-Tire?
JimC_Vt Posted October 26, 2003 Posted October 26, 2003 I was also looking for ag tires for my 8.5 rims ,I found a set on ebay that were rather inexpensive(new tires)....the seller told me to put 8.5 tires on 8.5 rims ....and 10.5 tires in 10.5 rims etc.... I didn't buy the tires .... Good Luck Jim
HubbardRA Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 I have run 10.5 tires on 7 inch rims and on 10.5 inch rims. I like the wider rims because you can run more pressure in the tires and still get an even bite. With narrow rims you need to run lower pressure to make the tire bite evenly across. You can't tell about the way a tire will bite the ground by measuring across the top. The only part that counts is the small flattened patch on the bottom called the "Footprint". Footprint size and uniformity are related to the tire, rim, weight on the tire, and tire pressure. On hard ground you should add pressure to the tire to make it bulge to a rounded tread. This puts less tire in contact with the ground and makes tire dig in more. On soft ground you should let the pressure down to make a uniform contact area, so the tire will stay on top and not dig too deep.
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