Bunky Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 I was just looking through the site and see that they made a Dual Lift control lever for the RBT's also are these rare also??? I always thought they just made them for the FDT's. Boy you learn something new everyday....
HubbardRA Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Dutch made one for a RBT, but in his post he stated that it was an option for a RBT. I started to make one for mine, but that would mean that the front attachments would be controlled by the right lever. I need mine controlled by the left, because the hydro and shuttle levers on the tractors are on the right side. If you are holding the blade or snow blower off the ground to maneuver the tractor with your right hand, it would be hard to move the shift lever with your left hand when it is on the right side. Left hand for lifting attachments, right hand for shifting tranny. Of course this is only needed for front attachments, since belly and rear attachments are usually fully up or fully down.
Kent Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Rod, I can't talk to the RBTs, but on the FDTs you can use the hydraulic lift (or left lift lever) to control a front attachment while you use the right lift lever to control a center-mounted attachment. A rear-mounted attachment MUST be controlled by the left lever, or hydraulic lift. One of the tips that I've seen in some Simplicity documentation is to use a grader blade (on the right lift lever) angled to the side at the same time you use a snowblower. It scrapes the driveway clean, picks up everything you missed with the blower, and moves it over next to the "uncut" snow so you can pick it up with the blower on the next pass... Sounds kinda like the "best of both worlds" to me, when you can scrape the driveway clean, yet pick it up and blow it out of the way...
wantedinct Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 but when you run dual lift levers,you cant use a counter weight, right?
Kent Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Yes, you can still use a counterweight (assuming you have a rear solid lift rod or have re-routed the lift cable for rear cable-lift systems) if you have the front attachment hooked to the left lift lever (or hydraulic lift), instead of the right. The right lift lever simply attaches to the end of the cross-shaft, and operates totally independent of any movement of that shaft. If you put the front attachment on the right lift lever, you couldn't counterbalance it, since this lift lever simply spins on that cross-shaft, while the rear counterweight would be moving the cross-shaft. Similarly, you could use a front counterweight to offset the weight of a tiller on the back, and have a grader blade (or mower deck) hanging underneath, attached to the right lift lever. IMO, the right lift lever is really intended mostly for center-mounted, not front-mounted, attachments.... That said, there could be times when you'd use it differently: 1. A dethatcher on the front (right lever) with a mower deck on the center (left lever), or... 2. A dozer blade on the front (right lever) with a tiller or box blade on the back (left lever)... That brings up an experiment that I'd like to try on my 2012/loader if I had a right lever... a tiller on the back (instead of the weight box) to loosen the dirt, and a grader blade in the center to smooth it out once I've scooped up the loose dirt and moved it....
HubbardRA Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Kent, On the FDT setup, there does not appear to be enough clearance between the brake/clutch pedal and the original right shaft mounted lever to mount an additional right lever. When Dutch made his, he removed the original right side shaft keyed lever. This is what I was talking about. If you don't remove that lever, then you can't set up the quadrant because this original lever is in the way. If someone has a way to do it, I'd like to see some pictures.
simplicityman28634 Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 That sound a little bite confuseing to have two lever and if ur long legged i bet that will be fun to get on and off the tractor
Kent Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Rod, did you mean there's problems on a running-board tractor (RBT) instead of an FDT? There's no problems on a foot-dragging tractor (FDT) as shown below. This is NOS Simplicity factory quadrant for the foot-draggers, that I had mounted on my Big Ten. The lift arm simply bolted onto the end of the cross-shaft, using the threaded hole in the center of the shaft. I've loaned this one to another club member who's trying to fabricate complete RH lift lever kits to sell....
Kent Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 quote:Originally posted by simplicityman28634 That sound a little bite confuseing to have two lever and if ur long legged i bet that will be fun to get on and off the tractor It is a bit confusing -- simply because there's so many ways that it could be used, since you can now have two attachments on the tractor at a time... on two of the three mounting points (front, center, rear).... Another example -- think of the value of having a rear box blade mounted at the same time you had a front snowplow mounted. If you've got nowhere easy to push the snow (like in front of the garage door) then use the box blade and pull it out, then use the front snowplow to push it out of the way.... One of these things could really come in handy! I'm still hoping these kits are practical to "reproduce" at an affordable price!
dirtsaver Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Kent keep us posted on those kits. I have several LH parts so I'm going to try to make a RH lift for one of the B's but for the tractor I'd like to restore it would be nice to have one that looks factory made. Larry
Kent Posted October 27, 2003 Posted October 27, 2003 Will do, Larry. The guy owns a small fabricating plant. Last I heard, his guys had completed the CAD drawings for the CNCs... That factory quadrant is a complicated shape, since it curves in two directions -- the back curves down to a flat mounting surface, in addition to the curved shape that's visible.
Dutch Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bunky I was just looking through the site and see that they made a Dual Lift control lever for the RBT's also are these rare also??? I always thought they just made them for the FDT's. Boy you learn something new everyday.... Rare? Here's one that sold on eBay for over $200. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345072263&category=20544
roma3112 Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 i like the idea of having a boxblade or grader blade on at the same time as say a snowblower or dozer blade. I think it would make snow cleanup a bit easier, and if it dosent at least it gives me a reason to tinker with the 3112h :D
Bunky Posted October 28, 2003 Author Posted October 28, 2003 So from what I gather either one of these are rare whether it be for a RBT or FDT..... I guess I should of never solt the one I had for my B112....
HubbardRA Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 Kent, I was talking about the RBTs. It seems that the FDTs do not have the lift shaft located beside the clutch/brake pedal like the RBTs. I measured mine and couldn't see a good way of hooking up the extra lever without causing interference with the pedal. Maybe I am missing something. I have a lever from a 410 that I could modify. I'll take another look at the layout to see if maybe I can flip the original lever over to make more room. Check out the picture that Dutch posted of the lift and pedal locations on a RBT under "Sickle Bar", another current topic. You will see what I mean about the close proximity of the pedal and lift lever.
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