McGill Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 I just purchased a 1054 and have a line on a 702. Anybody have any knowledge of these tractors values and collectability? (That can't be a real word.)
tanman722001 Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 Hi,There worth the money if you can get them cheap.There is alot of collectors out there that collect just Wheel Horse.This is just my opion Tony
mowerman1193 Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 I agree with Tony...theres lots of collectors for them...as for value from what I have seen both models you mentioned in my area go for about the same dollars as what a older Simplicity Landlord in comparable shape would go for...
SmilinSam Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 Where did you find one of those high wheel cast iron tanks? The 1054 is kinda the predesessor to the GT14 , which I wouldn't mind owning another of. I have had both a GT 14 and 1054 at one time or another. The hydraulic lift still complete on the 1054?8) Where's the pictures?:D C'mon Dennis, and your even a photographer...^
fredwood Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 THe 1054 was made in 1964 and had a 10 hp motor. THe 702 is a sweet tractor with a 7hp motor. The 702 I restored has a kohler engine but they also came with a B/S engine and I think tecumsah also. You could get them with an electric start or pull start. some models came with a hydraulic lift as an option. In Running condition I would not hesitate to pay up to $350.00 for either of them,especialy if they are kohler equiped.(that is if they are not restored but in good shape. Fred Wood
McGill Posted October 29, 2003 Author Posted October 29, 2003 I'll get some pictures soon, my ad ran out today so the phone should quit ringing. I went today and picked up a Yoaman and a Regent. The mother just wanted them out of the yard. I like FREE.
dirtsaver Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Dennis I agree with the rest of the gang. As much as I love my orange and yellow I really loke those old Horses. My friend George has a good size collection, including a 1054 and a GT14. Sam is right about the GT14 too. That thing is a bear! Of course it's just a little bear next to his D-200,WH's version of the Simp.4041. I'd sure go for them Dennis. Larry
BigSix Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 McGill: Congrats on adding two genuine "horses" to your "stable"! GT14 Enthusiasts: A friend of mine (Int'l. Cub man, but okay nonetheless-lol) has planted a bug in my ear about the GT14, which his Dad had as a boy. In fact, his brother still has it. He's looking for another one. Sam: I'm pleased to learn the 1054 is like GT14, as I'm kind of wantin' to do the wild, 'er, Wheel Horse thing myself. Also, I wondered if there was a Wheel Horse equivalent to the 4041. Now I learn a) it exists and b) you have one, called a D200? I'd be very interested to learn it's specs (wt., hp., drive system, engine type, etc...) and see a pic, if you have time to post one or direct me to one? I get the feeling the GT14's are very good tractors, from the little I've heard about them. How were the D200's and were they in the same era as the 4041's? Peter
SmilinSam Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 The 1054 is a gear drive with a hydraulic lift similar to the old B-Series AC's hydro lifts. The D-Series were built like tanks. Problem with those is in the trannys I guess. I know two that have been sitting for years for the lack of available repair parts, and its not because the owners havn't been looking either. Be careful buying them. I have never owned a D-series myself. I do think The D's were sold in the same time frame as the Powr'Max types. At the moment I don't have any pictures or specs on them. Watch Ebay each week for "Wehhel Horse Tractor". They seem to show up there once in a while.
mowerman1193 Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Peter, I will try to answer some of the questions..I can't seem to find my book and I am more into the C series tractors... If I remember right the D series was made between 1972-1976 or so...I could tell you exact years if I could find my book,LOL There was a D160 that was a 16hp Kohler There was a D180 that had the 18hp Kohler a D200 that was a 20hp I think Kohler and the big one D250 with a 4cyl. Renault engine... I am not sure if they had any other brand motors in them or not..almost seem like they had a Onan option but not for sure. I belive they was all hydro drive and hydro lift. From what I have heard they are about as tough as a tank...They do have a known problem with them though...I understand that the rear end was a problem..I guess they have a bolt or pin that holds the gears together that gets worn and works loose.This allows the gears to rock back and forth when changing directions.It will eventually work out so far that it will start smacking the rear housing and thus cracking it and then the fluid leaks out and most times its not caught until its fried... That is about all I know about them...I can take a picture of the one next door later if nobody post one... I am sure I missed alot of info but I am sure someone here will fill in the blanks...
dirtsaver Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Kevin your time frame is right on the D series. Also, the 20hp Kohler in the D-200 is a larger block than any of them I've ever seen. If I can think to stop by Georges place this weekend I will take a pic of the D-200 and GT14 and post them. Larry
BigSix Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Larry, Kevin and Sam: Thanks for your discussion of these big Wheel Horses--I know a lot more than I did, especially about what to watch out for. Look forward to seeing those pics some day, if you get a convenient opportunity--and I'll check out ebay. Thanks again. Peter
lndscpr Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 HI Guys, I just picked up a wheelhorse the other day. Has a 12 HP Kohler in it. Sticker says it is an automatic 12. I know nothing about horses. Can you guys give me any insight? This looks like a nice machine though. Very complete. Needs electrical work. I think it has an 8 spd manual tranny. John
SmilinSam Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Automatic 12 would be a Hydrostatic transmission 12hp tractor from 1973 -74 I think. These were the first to have the quick tach hitching system, which utilized a much better mower drive than the previous years. One common problem to look for on those and other similar(1960's -1990's) is the frame where the tranny bolts up to it. Alot of times stress fractures will develop in the frame there running up and down. The transmission needs to be removed and the frame welded up then re attach using a couple of re inforcing plates (one upper and one lower) between the bolt heads and the frame. The symptoms of this problem are similar to when the bevel gear box bolts loosen up an the hydro simplicities & AC's.
mowerman1193 Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 I got buisy and forgot to get a picture yesterday... Here is a picture of my uncles D180...He had the rear end problem that I had mentioned in my other post...He is just now getting it back together.. Notice his custom made sun shade...talk about heavy built...I belive its made of 1/8in plate steel and square tubbing...He used a engine hoist to put it on,LOL [img]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/uploaded/mowerman1193/D180.jpg[/img] Sorry the picture is fuzzy...they do this when my battery gets low..
lndscpr Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Sam thanks for the info, I will have to get some numbers off of the machine and do some serious research. This is about 74 Vintage. My friend is working on it for me. He pulled the head off the motor and is telling me it is perfect. The problem is that it needs a new wiring block. I will have to start searching for one. I do think it is a standard tranny. I could be wrong. Maybe the hood and or tranny are not original to the machine. Everything does seem to be original though. John
BigSix Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 Wow--what's not to like? That's a bruiser! You're uncles "sunshade" looks like it could be certified as a ROPS, if he has a seatbelt. Good luck to the New Horseman--maybe Kent has a stable around here for them, somewhere.... And thanks for the shot! Peter
Tacey Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 I saw an older gent mowing his field next to an ice cream stand we go to. He had an older WheelHorse; it reminded me of a B series AC. It seemed like a good runner, but the cut quality was gawd-awful. Maybe he needed new blades, or who knows what, but the grass was clumpy, cut uneven, very poor. Maybe I'm just spoiled with the Simplicity. Tacey
DaleC Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 The old wheel horses are brusers. The light weights were nice tractors, too. I used one that was 7hp with a belt drive but the outer blades, There were just two, were gear box driven and timed to miss each other. It did a really nice job of mowing. I wish I could remember the number, but that was over 25 years ago. Amazing what is important in one stage of life and no worth the effort in another.
DaleC Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 I too am looking forward to the pictures of the big brutes. Get them when you can, Kevin.
EDS Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 I have a 1972 GT-14. The rear wheel have 15 inch rims. [img]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/attach/EDS/GT14x568.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/attach/EDS/GT14x566.JPG[/img]
SmilinSam Posted November 1, 2003 Posted November 1, 2003 Is the onboard AC generator a Wheel Horse item? or is that custom built?
EDS Posted November 2, 2003 Posted November 2, 2003 The generator home made; a 32 Volt DC motor rated at 800Rpm. I kicked up the RPM to get 120 Volts DC out of it. The dealer at Newberg, NY has two WH generators. About 3 KW for $500.
EDS Posted November 3, 2003 Posted November 3, 2003 I answered this yesterday but it did not come up. Sorry The generator is a 32 Volt DC motor and 800 RPM. I uped the speed to get 120 Volts DC from it.
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