wantedinct Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Can someone tell me the purpose of the wooden divider board and the steel divider rod ? i have them both, but are they really needed?
PatRarick Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 They serve to sweep the outboard strip of cut plant material, leaving a clean strip of stubble on the outboard end of your cut. Without them, the plant material drops directly behind the sickle, just as it does along the entire length. This plant material causes problems by plugging the inboard area of your sicklebar on the next pass. Pat
SmilinSam Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 I have mixed results using them. Most of the time I don't use it because it seemed to make matters worse
PatRarick Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Actually, it depends on the plant material is being cut. Experience is about the only way to tell if you need the swathboard. I seldom run without mine but have run into instances where it was a nuisance. Pat
thedaddycat Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Nah, you dont' need those things. Heck, just send 'em to me and I'll take good care of them..... LOL Actually, I'd like to get an OEM swathboard and rod. I have them for my AC cable lift sickle but not the 990210 manual lift sickle. Those are one of the things that sometimes gets "dropped through the cracks" when the sickle is not used for a long time then finally sold off from out of Grandpa's barn... Another commonly missing item is the round disc that mounts to the right side lift arm. I have a spare that I'd gladly trade for the rod and swathboard, if anyone has one..... Here is a pic of the rod and swathboard from my AC cable lift sickle, along with the disc that goes on the lift arm of the FDTs. Both are in "Original Unrestored" condition.
UCD Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Kirk You forgot to mention that the picnic table is in orignal unrestored condition to.
thedaddycat Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 LMAO...... Yes it is. My folks got it in the early 70's for a cabin we had back then. I'm going to talk to the local sawmill owner about getting some native lumber to rebuild it with. Any suggestions as to what wood holds up best to the weather???
andy gartner Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Eric and Peter Did you get that info I sent you with the Sickle Bar owner's/parts manual numbers, so you could download it? Kirk Do you like your lift rod SB # 210 or is it much easier to lift w/the cable lift setup? Thanks
thedaddycat Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 I have not used the cable lift sickle bar yet so I don't know. I'm thinking I'll put a hydraulic lift on the B-112 and mount the AC sickle bar on it. That's the easiest one to lift I'm sure....
wantedinct Posted October 29, 2003 Author Posted October 29, 2003 Kirk, were does that disc go? Thanks, Eric
ReedS Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 Eric, the round guard goes on the lift arm. I guess to keep your pants from getting caught on it. I can see where this could be a problem with a cable lifted bar ......[:0] I too, have one (not to spare) but don't quite understand it's purpose esp with my manual lift style sickle.
wantedinct Posted October 29, 2003 Author Posted October 29, 2003 So the disc is for cable or manual lift? does anyone have a picture of the disc installed on a cable lifted bar? Thanks, Eric
ka9bxg Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 I just got 2 wonderboy 700s amd both have that disc.I have 2 other wonderboys that do not have them on.Whats up with that.Bob
thedaddycat Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Maybe the ones without never had a sickle bar mounted to them..... The disc goes on the lift arm of the tractor, not on the sickle bar mower.
BigSix Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Andy: I did get your part no. for the 210 sickle manual--thanks. I sent you a PM re: it but perhaps it didn't reach you? Anyway, as I explained there, like a dope I paid Simplicity for the factory manual 210 ($5.00?). Actually, I don't think the downloadable version was avail. on line when I bought the manual. (I assume it's the same as the downloaded version, i.e., 15 pages, typical minimalist line drawings?) Anyway, on p.4, Fig. 7, it shows that disc and calls it a "Clutch Pedal Guard." Still doesn't make it clear to me what it does, but I think I actually have the disc somewhere. Do I need it? I'm confused by reading the above posts--do I understand correctly that if you have the fixed, manual lift arm (complete with nifty, original, white rubber "ergo-grip"?) that you don't use a cable lift arrangement? My 210 manual discusses the cable lift arrangement, which made me think the lift handle was only to raise the bar to "transport" position (i.e., near vertical, where I hope to trim hedges with it). How does this work? Do I need to worry about the cable lift assy which I don't have, if I have the fixed, manual lift handle, or what? Dazed and confused.... Peter
wantedinct Posted October 30, 2003 Author Posted October 30, 2003 What about the chain,not the transport chain,the other one on the sickle drive,to hold it up, the pictures are unclear to me, dose it go onto the frame, or onto the lift bar,(same way you hook up a mower deck) seems to hold bar up higher if i hook it up like a mower deck, but then it looks like the belt is whats holding it up. its a cable lift on a 2210 Thanks for everyones input, Eric
andy gartner Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Dutch or UCD, PAT R, or Kirk probably can illucidate this better than I, but here goes... From exhaustive research (BS-it was fun!) studying ever pic I can find, online searches, downloads of SB manuals: 1. The small chain is a SB support to hold the heavy main transmission etc up. All models including planatary ones (1690030) use this support. In my pic, you'll see it attatched to the housing (other forum). 2. The long transport chain is for just that, once SB is raised. All models use this also. 3. The disc and small flat bar are found and used ONLY with the (990210) first generation SB with the lift handle, instead of cable lift. Because it's probably pretty useless, I want one too. All of this is revealed in a downloaded manual which cleverly includes ALL SB's series for the FTD's up to the RBT's which use the planetary set up (driven off the front instead of rear PTO). Most of all, and especially with the 210, which uses more complicated balls and spacers in the pitman gear and drive arms, and has 9 zerks (count'em) instead of 5 as in latter versions...(which you only need to oil)...sickle bars are the ultimate toy. Now I understand their infatuating fascination!!! Wheels and gears and bars and rods, spinning up and down, round and round, back and forth, there's even a crankshaft-what a trip!!!
thedaddycat Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 I think they all drive from the center PTO......
andy gartner Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Oops forgot, The 210 lift handle model does not use the cable lift, uses the handle. But that is the ??? Is the lift handle much harder to use than the cable lift? Should all 210'ers fabricate cable lifts??? Eric, that manual is at the simpl tech pub site, plug in 990210 and all the early SB models come up not just the 210. Check site map to find. Kirk you may be right, don't know if the center pto on a FDT is in same setup place as on a RBT.
HubbardRA Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Since I have a 210, but I have not used it, I gather that the pin on the lift handle must be pulled and the handle laid down when the mower is being transported. Otherwise it looks like this handle would be laying across your lap. I guess this is the main reason for going to the cable lift.
BigSix Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 Pat: Ahh! That makes sense--as my Sickle is stored in "a remote, undisclosed location," I can't go look at it, but what you suggest seems logical, i.e, the lift handle might be in the way in transport mode--I'll be investigating that, hopefully before it snows, as I want to try trimming hedges in the near-vert. position. Andy-thanks for the Sickle Bar walkthrough--very helpful. I have one question, though: When you say: quote:The disc and small flat bar are found and used ONLY with the (990210) what exactly is the bar you refer to? Can you tell me what figure no. it is in the manual? And I agree--there's enough funky, steam-locomotive mechanics goin' on in the sickle bars to fascinate a 12 year old--I know, I used to love running my grandfather's old Jari sicklebar walkbehind! Chucka chucka chucka.... Peter
Dutch Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 For what it's worth: 1) The #210 (handle lift) sickle pivot knuckle casting is different than all the others (cable lifts). However, with a little fabrication, a cable lift can be retrofitted to a #210. I've done it and it works fine. See illustration below. 2) I've used both the #210 (handle) sickle and the others. For my use (many obstacles), I prefer the handle lift over the cable. The handle permits more rapid response over an electric or hydraulic cable lift. The handle also permits the tractor lift to be available for a second implement. My problem is, I can't use the Simplicity design handle lift on an RBT. Even on an FDT, the Simplicity design is lacking because it is a compromise (too far to reach and limited travel). I started to fabricate my own compound lever / ratchet design, but couldn't justify the time to refine the design due to my limited use of the sickle. I made up a very crude lift handle for one of my sickles (has to be completely removed for transport), and use the transport chain as a lift on the other. [img]/club2/attach/dutch/handle-cable.jpg[/img]
BigSix Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Dutch: You may have outdone even yourself this time--that is an excellent tutorial on that mod. I'm also pleased to learn about the utility of the 210 lift handle--I know I'd like it's immediacy over the L/H lift lever--just have to see if the operator's got the arm for it--lol! Thank you, Peter
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