tractorfreak3 Posted November 9, 2003 Posted November 9, 2003 was the first year for the LL 64 or did they make some in 1963 mine is serial no. 8803 i'm having discussions with others. thought i would ask the oracle(sorry just watched matrix) :)
MPH Posted November 9, 2003 Posted November 9, 2003 Think the first ones came out in '63, with the black dash which may have carried over into '64..MPH Just went looking at 'whats new' on SimpletrACtor and the first year that shows a Landlord is '64. Looks like the '65 was the same then in '66 the 101 came out. Hmm, thought someone posted a '63 Landlord here..MPH
thedaddycat Posted November 9, 2003 Posted November 9, 2003 http://www.simpletractors.com/made_when/1957-1964.htm
MPH Posted November 9, 2003 Posted November 9, 2003 Ok, doesn't jive with the 'whats new' but thats fine with me. Built when has been an interesting game since I been on this site..MPH
tractorfreak3 Posted November 9, 2003 Author Posted November 9, 2003 i was told mine was a 1963, but i'm not so sure. i bought from a simplicity dealer in ohio. he said it was one that he sold new, he thought it was a 63, the manuals that came with it included the literature for a 42 inch deck, which is the older style like i have seen on 700's. the archives on the site make believe it is a 64. just thought i would see. its either 39 0r 40 years old LOL.
rjgoth Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 Did the 101 with the cream colored dash come out in 65 or 66? Ryan
Kent Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 The documents you see with conflicting dates came from Simplicity -- see the fun of researching this old stuff that doesn't follow model year? I think the 9HP Landlord was a mid-year introduction that actually might have been sold as a 1964 model even when made in 1963... So, it wasn't shown in the 1963 brochure.... Remember the 1964-1/2 Mustang? It had a generator, while the 1965 model had an alternator, in addition to a different grille... I think those subtle differences, like mower deck, could have happened here with Simplicity tractors also. The Landlord 101s were 10HP and sold as 1965 and 1966 models, as far as I can tell, though I'm still looking for a 1965 brochure... Similarly, the 2012 wasn't listed in the 1967 brochure -- instead it was in a brochure all it's own. I've recently found a 1967 brochure (it's in the "to be added stack" and it only shows the 2010.... That's part of the fun of this old stuff for me... I get to play detective!
rjgoth Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 In 1966 did they sell the Landlord 101 as well as the 2010? Or was the 2010 exclusive to 1967? I think the 101 became the 2010 in 1967, am I right? Ryan
Kent Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 The 1967 brochure doesn't show the Landlord 101, only the 2010... though I'm sure there were likely "holdovers" in the distribution channel.... Don't confuse when something was sold -- unless it is to "prove" when something was available as a new model. Some tractors could have been sold 3 years or more after they were built. Look at the AC price lists for example. In August 1969, the dealer could order the following tractors: HB-212, B-212 and B-210 (1969 models), and the following non-current tractors -- HB-112, B-112, B-110 (1968 models ??), B-12, B-10 (1967 models ??), and Big Ten (1966 models ?).... http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/prices/1969_prices.htm Made when and sold when are two totally different creatures.... Yes, except for decals and minor changes, the Landlord 101 and 2010 are essentially the same tractor. I don't know the specifics, but since these small things changed on the Allis tractors (according to dealer sales training info), I would guess that they probably changed on the Simplicity also: * B-12 also uses a new black steering wheel, while the B-10 steering wheel remains white. Both have a chrome center cap with the Allis-Chalmers trademark. * A quicker (5.1 to 1) steering ratio is now used. * New, heavier front axle and spindles, and wider front wheels with 6:50 x 8 tires on the B-12. * New, longer choke and throttle levers make it easier to precisely operate these engine controls. Here's the link with that info -- see the bottom of the page: http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/1966_cat/b-10_%26_b-12.htm
Tacey Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 A lot of confusion is caused by people thinking that tractors are produced like cars, that is, by model year. The idea that "All New For 1964" is something the auto makers started to encourage consumers to want the latest & greatest model, and therefore, trade in that old model for this year's better one. Not all carmakers used the "Model Year" concept; Packard comes to mind (maybe that's why they went under, even though their quality is legendary). Packard instead produced a "Series". In other words, a "Series 10" (or some such name) bought today could be the exact same car as your friend bought three years prior. No planned obsolesence built in. The garden tractor business is different in that today's tractor could be just as good, if not better, than tomorrow's. Plus, a dealer would be less likely to be 'stuck' with last year's old models. I hope this helps... Tacey
tractorfreak3 Posted November 10, 2003 Author Posted November 10, 2003 a interesting discussion:)i guess i was after made when. it's hard not thinking like cars when we've been conditioned to do so. and like i said before; Sateen,the name for my simplicity, is either 39 or 40. and she looks pretty good. HE HE
JimV Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 I know with farm tractors back in the day some could sit on the lot for over a year. For instance I have a 1956 farmall that was sold to the 1st owner in May of 58. I have the original delivery report with the sales date.I checked the id # and found it was in fact a 56. Ok here is the funny part, I have a 57 that was sold in 57 from another dealer. So my 56 was sold a year later than my 57. You can see how things can get very confusing 40 or 50 years later when a person tries to figure out what year his tractor is...
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