country Posted November 19, 2003 Posted November 19, 2003 Hey all, I have been researching ag tires, and reading the forums, and have put together a list for two sizes that seem to be popular. I haven't decided what I will use yet. My tractor currently has 23 x 10.50 x 12, but I need to measure the rim width and check to see if 23 x 8.50 x 12 in ag tires will be a better size. Check out the brands I have found in the picture. Here is the info:
country Posted November 19, 2003 Author Posted November 19, 2003 Well, I have to add the information yet. I put it together in a spread sheet, and I haven't figured out an easy way to post it in a message. I'll add the info yet to go with the pictures.
mowerman1193 Posted November 19, 2003 Posted November 19, 2003 Well I am interested in this as I am planning to get some lugs after the holidays...I will be looking for the 23x10.50x12 and 18x9.50x8 though but some of your research will probably apply to those as well... The best bar lug tire I have seen so far are the Chen Shin tires that I put on my Massey Ferguson MF12..These are very aggressive looking tires..Its to bad they only have those in certain sizes and the 2 sizes I want to get lugs for they dont make...at least the last I knew...(23x10.50x12 and 18x9.50x8)
country Posted November 20, 2003 Author Posted November 20, 2003 Ok, I'm still having difficulty posting the info. I can't get the info to a narrow enough page width to copy and paste into a reply. I'll keep working at it.
HubbardRA Posted November 20, 2003 Posted November 20, 2003 I have Nankang tires on mine. 23x10.5x12. Personally I would not go any smaller. I also have a set of 26x12x12 Carlisles, and a set of 26x12x12 Firestones. I would not touch a Goodyear, they are poorly designed in both sizes.
MPH Posted November 20, 2003 Posted November 20, 2003 Rod, what is it you don't like about the goodyears design? Maybe the wider one are different, but I'm sure impressed with the 23x6x12's I have on the 725. In fact, thing they spin less pushing snow then the 8.5's with chains on the B-112. Both tractors have double wheel wts on the rear. MPH
Nubian Posted November 20, 2003 Posted November 20, 2003 I don't know much about tires but it seems to me that a lug is a pretty basic design with out much variances outside of special applications like maybe pulling,with that in mind I went with the Power Master 23-10.5-12 /6 ply rated at 1610 lbs/ 18 32nd's of 1" deep. Now match those numbers.;) Nubian
country Posted November 20, 2003 Author Posted November 20, 2003 Nubian, where did you get the Powermaster's? I've only found one website for them, and haven't received a response to two e-mails. Some info would be greatly appreciated. Also, do you have any pics on the tractor? They appear to be very close to the Dico/Titan Tru-Power tires.
Nubian Posted November 20, 2003 Posted November 20, 2003 I got them from Mueller Tires (check the link below).Every now and then you can get them a few bucks cheaper on ebay from him, never this time of year though.You can maybe see them on my tractor throwing snow in my picture gallery. This year will be the first time I try them with no weights. Let me tell you they feel RUGGED. http://www.muellertiresales.com/powermasterpage.htm Nubian
MPH Posted November 20, 2003 Posted November 20, 2003 Anyone have the Carlisle Power Trac? sure like the looks of them.. MPH
country Posted November 21, 2003 Author Posted November 21, 2003 Nubian, that's the same place I found them as well. There server was down, just received the reply this morning for shipping. I have to add it to my list and compare shipping costs. Question for all on tire ply. Nubian, how do you like the 6 ply? Did you install them yourself? It seems to me that 4 ply is a good ply for a garden tractor. 2 ply will flex the best, but won't be as puncture resistant, etc, as the 4 ply. 6 ply sounds great, but I'm afraid that is getting very stiff to install myself without the "proper" tools. I will eventually probably do some wondering and clearing in the woods and such with my AC 917. Other than that, it will see general use, mowering mostly, maybe some snow removal or other blade use. What is everyones opinion on tire ply? I'm also still trying to figure out a way to add my information list. I guess worse case I'll have to simply type it all in. Lot of typing, but I'll do if that's all I can come up with.
RickS Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 Country, I would like to thank you for all your effort. Your research will greatly help me when I change my tires. I would be very interested in learning what your top choice is and why. Then once you have used them how you like them. Rick.......
Nubian Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 I tried the DYI but it did not work for me. I would need a bigger tool than the one I had. Could not justify the space or the $$ . I had them mounted on spare rims at a tire shop. Never considered flexing. My tractor is heavy 1450 lbs (tractor,driver,wheel weights combined) plus attachments,I'm sure it flexes somewhat when everything is on it. So I figured 6 ply would handle it better,not that a 4 ply wouldn't do it. ;) Nubian
HubbardRA Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 MPH, I have had no experience with the small Goodyears. From tractor pulling, I know that the 23x10.5 Goodyears are entirely too stiff and heavy in the main carcass for these small tractors. I had one friend who was given a set of these Goodyears and he ran them with no air in them because of the stiffness of the tire. Not good for traction. Traction is what everyone seems to be wanting. The 26x12 Goodyears have a lug that is thinner than the other brands making it too soft and allowing it to bend over during heavy locad. The Large Goodyears also have a much sharper angle on the tires resulting in less gripping power than the ones that are more nearly perpendicular to the direction of rotation. There are comments being made about six ply tires, but these heavy carcasses are too stiff for good traction on garden tractors. I know that in the 26x12 tires Firestone used to make 2,4,and 6 ply tires. The 2 ply tires were the absolute best for traction. The only advantage of the heavier tires is puncture resistance which is needed on heavy commercial equipment where extreme use and abuse is part of normal operation. Carlisle tires are great. For pulling competitions with 23x10.5 tires, I would definitely choose Carlisles as the best. The Nankangs that I have were cheaper than the Carlisles, I could buy them locally, they look nearly identical, but they don't quite give as much traction. Can't say exactly why, but after using both in the stock tractor classes, I know it to be a fact. In the higher powered classes, especially the motorcycle engine classes, Cepeks are the best, followed closely by Pit Bulls, then 2-Ply Firestones, then Carliles. One of the reasons that Carliles is not as popular is that the size and design of the lug leaves less material to work with when cutting and reshaping for optimum pulling capability. I know this is irrelevant to a work machine, and therefore my first choice in a 26x12 for a work tractor would be Carlisle. Firestone 2-plies are not common, in fact I don't think they are even being manufactured any more. Nobody wants to pay $200+ per tire for the Cepeks or Pit Bulls for use on a regular work tractor. If I were going to buy new lug tires for one of my tractors, I would look at cost first, then ease of actually getting the tires, and my final decision would be made based on how good I thought the tires would look on my tractor. If I needed more traction I would then start re-shaping the lugs, since I have the tools. I can grind the tread to make a turf tire have nearly the same traction as a lug on normal soil, however, mud is totally different and big lugs are necessary there. Hope I haven't totally confused the situation. My suggestion is buy what you like, because everyones situation and desires are different. I am probably looking for something different than you are.
MPH Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 Looked at the link Mike added to the 'leaning towards cub' post last night, those are some different looking lug tires for 600 bucks/pair. Which is why its a good thing I live far away from tractor pulling. Which Carlisle do you use? I have the super lugs on my B-112 and am happy with them in dirt, not much in snow, too wide for the wt. MPH
JBLACK Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 I use power traks on my 64 LL to blow snow & till the garden and super lugs on my 78 7010LL to do the yard thing in spring and summer (hilly ground) .,I have no complaints I only live about 15min.from where they are made so I am happy to help support the locals.
Bunky Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 I did a lot of checking before I bought mine and I ended up using deestones I bought at tirenet.... they work great.... I wanted the Chen Shin's like Mowerman had they were the most agressive tires I had seen yet but now I think they would of been hard on my yard.....
KenK Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 Here is a couple pics of some carlisle 6ply 23x10.50x12. I went with 6 plys for the fact of using a loader on this 712H.I have it weighted down to a tune of 350#s,plus tractor weight and plus my weight.I can tip the bucket down a little and it will dig right down.Tires hardly spin until I get the bucket pretty full.
Nubian Posted November 21, 2003 Posted November 21, 2003 KenK...... I can't find the 6 plies on the Carlisle website only 4 plies and what are you using on the front rims? Nubian
KenK Posted November 22, 2003 Posted November 22, 2003 Sorry I goofed,what I have here are titan true power's.
MPH Posted November 22, 2003 Posted November 22, 2003 Thanks for the correction Ken. I was wondering where you found those Carlisle because they looked different then mine on the B-112, but a lot like the Titan on the 4040. MPH
ReedS Posted November 22, 2003 Posted November 22, 2003 I also have a pair of the power master 6 ply 23x10.50x12 on my 2110. I also got them from mueller tire. I find the 6 ply to be a little too stiff in the sidewalls ( I had a problem with one comming unseated at the bead at the Colchester show ) but they work great otherwise. I was in the garden tilling and I had no problems with traction in the loose soil. They're currently mounted on standard 7" wheels running about 0-5 psi. I plan on adding tubes and loading them with washer fliud in the near future for some extra weight. I mounted these myself and I had no problems grtting them to seat. I wouldn't hesitate to do business with Mueller again if need be.
wilm169 Posted November 23, 2003 Posted November 23, 2003 we have small case drop plowes for telephone wire with goodyears on them and they are not as wide as the carlisle on the same rims 23 10.5 12. I took a set of the carlisle for my 416h but before mounting them I bought a 314h for parts it had a set or rims 1.5 inches wider than all my other wheels, did not know there were any wider ones made, but shur made them have a wide stance over the other rims.
Mikedinma Posted November 23, 2003 Posted November 23, 2003 I've got a set of Carlisle Power Trac Lugs on the rear of my B-112. I can't say enough about the added traction that I've found while pulling the ag plow or blowing snow. I've also found that they do not tear up the lawn as I've seen some of the other brands. Mike
thedaddycat Posted November 24, 2003 Posted November 24, 2003 I was at Wal Mart and they had some ATV tires that looked kind of like those Swamp Witch tires Dutch posted about. The size was 25X10.50-12 I think?? and they were $53 each. Seat deck height was an issue too, if I recall correctly due to the taller profile.
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