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L10 verses the L12 ?

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Besides the fact that the L12 has the piston for the bucket, what other major differences are their from the L10 to L12? How do these mount to various models? Are their bolt holes or is welding needed? Can these be setup for "fairly quick release"? I have a limit of multiple tractors and I think I can get one or two more, but any more and my family will have me committed. Then again, they want to do that at three! BTW: A friend of mine got a mint 3012 manual lift, 48" deck, and plow for $100. I mean mint, I'm going to get some pictures of it and post it for anyones reference. It's got the original seat and mine doesn't. Steal base and no rips.

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They're significantly different, in addition to the difference between the trip bucket L-10 and the dual-action hydraulic bucket L-12. They bolt on, with no welding required. The primary mounting points for the subframe are the front axle pivot bolt, the bolts that hold the bracket for the rear of the front axle wishbone, and back on the rear frame rails. The rear mount is different for 3-speed tractors, compared to the longer variable-speed/hydrostat tractors. The subframe can be left on the tractor whhen removing the loader, or when using the mower deck or other attachments -- this capability to use mid-mound attachments while the loader is mounted in unique to these loaders as far as I can tell. The L-10 mounted the pump up in front of the tractor, connecting it to the engine's crankshaft with a Lovejoy coupling, while the L-12 mounted the pump to the side and drove it off a pulley, much like a snowblower, for example. This allows the bucket to mount closer to the front of the tractor also, which helps handling and stability, especially with a full bucket. Here's the Simplicity 515 Owner/Operator's manual, with a link to the L-12 Parts Manual, for more info. I have a manual for the B-1/L-10 loader, but it's not loaded to Simple trACtors yet. http://www.simpletractors.com/operation/515_loader/front_loader_515.htm

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Kent, thanks. If you can load the B-1/L-10 manual that would be a help.

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That's not likely to happen any time soon -- it's way down on the priority stack. Have you compared the pictures and specs at this link, also? http://www.simpletractors.com/Main/b_attachments.htm

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Kent, No I didn't know about that link! But that was good information. The one thing which I found interesting was the "dual wheel and counter weight" specification was important. The one thing I noticed was that the dual wheel was the "thinner version" of dual wheels; that was a recommendation I heard regarding dual wheels (Don't use the wide wheels or you chance breaking the axle on hills). Thanks again.

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He just got it and he's not selling it. I told him I'd buy it from him. I'm going to take pictures for reference of originality. I'll tell you I like the hydrostatics, because my 3012 is a little weak in the drive train.

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Wow--who knew? Seriously, though, thanks Kent and Maynard. I will need one of those, I believe, when I build/convert a woodsplitter to AC power (lol--not Allis Chalmers, but electric "AC"). Peter

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Interesting reading on installing the L12 on a Landlord. Does anyone know the difference between the frame size of a 10hp and a 12hp? i.e. Landlord vs the Soveriegn?

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Don't look at them as Landlord and Sovereign, or you'll get terribly confused. Simplicity wasn't too consistent at times in how they applieds those names. Example is 1967 12HP Landlord 2012, but in 1968, the 12HP was a Sovereign 3012. Look at the transmission, instead.... Variable speed and hydrostatic transmissions required 4" longer frame rails than the standard 3 speed. This distinction holds true for everything up to, but not including, the 3300/3400 series Simplicity and 300/400 series Allis, as far as I know.

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