Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 I have a question that I would like your general input on, regarding privacy and disclosure of your personal information in the clubhouse, especially email address.... First of all, as stated on the Privacy page, let me say that I have taken every reasonable precaution I can take to protect the information that you provide in the clubhouse("hidden directories", double passwords, etc.) I do not and will not provide our membership list to others. I also generally will not provide any of an individual's information to others.... On the rare occasions when I do give out an email address to someone (in response to a question about parts, etc), I always try to provide an info copy of the email to the person whose email address I "gave out" so that they know what I've done.... Second, what you see on these pages in the Clubhouse that have your info on them doesn't really exist that way -- anywhere -- except as a brief "packet" of information for the instant of time required to send it over the Internet to your computer. These pages are NOT stored with your name or address visible -- instead, each page is generated from the database and sent out when you click on a link. (If you'll notice, all the "protected" screens have a name that ends with .asp which stands for Active Server Page. They are NOT stored as pages of information in standard .htm files like those of the Simple trACtors site and most of the Internet.) So, these pages cannot be "read" by programs that are designed to search the internet pulling off email addresses and such for "junk mail lists." The only way someone could obtain your email address (for example) from this site is by manually copying it, printing it or writing it down, once it appears on their screen.... Consequently, you shouldn't get "junk mail" because of being a member of this club. However, we have several club members who have not disclosed their email address when they joined. Consequently, they cannot be contacted by me or any other club member directly, for any reason. Yet, they can send emails to others as they so desire.... Note that many sites (like Yahoo) require that you provide a valid email address at the time of joining -- joining for them is a 2-step process. Fill out a form first and submit it, then respond to an email that the site sends back. I am seriously considering placing that type of registration on the clubhouse.... Meanwhile, we have several members who do not have valid email addresses listed. This became obvious in my attempt to send out the cookbook email last week. Further, we have one person who is purposely trying to hide behind a fake name, address, and email address and post messages that other members found insulting and inappropriate (see my message below).... Most of these people seem to be behaving themselves, so it never became an issue until I tried to email them. My question is: Should they be allowed to join, or to remain as listed members, if they are unwilling to provide their actual email address? To me, this is a violation of our simple Rule #1 of treat others the way you want to be treated.... What do you think? I've linked the Privacy page below, just in case you've never read it.... Kent[A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/clubhouse/privacy.htm']http://www.simpletractors.com/clubhouse/privacy.htm[/a] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 Delete them. Maybe the 2 part sign up is needed. Hope that doesn't create alot more work for you. Todder P.S. Did not receive an e-mail re: the cookbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 Todd, The reason you didn't receive it was because the program I was using to send them was overloaded by returned mail from bad email addresses. After trying to clean up 47 bad email addresses from the 1st attempt and send it again, only to keep getting more new rejections, I quit in frustration to avoid "spamming" the poor folks who were receiving it. It would make it about 75% of the way through the list and then choke.... Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 If they are not wanting their real address known, they might be up to something, delete them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGCO918 Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 KENT: MY OPPION IS TO DO HOW YAHOO DOES IT WHEN NEW MEMEBERS WANT TO JOIN HAVE A EMAIL ADDRESS SENT IN THE WAY THEY DO IT.2ND: IF PEOPLE CANT DO THIS DELETE THEM AS OTHERS HAVE SAID . WE DONT NEED THIS ON HERE .IT IS MORE WORK ON YOU AND IT CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR OTHERS BECAUSE WE CANT CONTACT THOSE WITHOUT EMAIL ADDRESSES.WE HAVE THE BEST CLUB ON THE WEB AND WE ALL NEED TO TREAT OTHERS THE WAY WE WANT TO BE TREATED.PLEASE EVERYONE WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.MICKEYMOUSE2BRIGHT.NET (AGCO918) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGCO918 Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 I think that all legitimate club members will hapily agree to sign up in this manner (like the Yahoo clubs). This is by far the best club on the web. If this means re-registration for all, count me in. Thanks for the reminder, too. My e-mail has changed recently and I've now sent in current info to Kent via e-mail. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJ Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 Kent Just as Agco and fomoco said!!! Wooo, that was easy!!! hehehe Joe J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJ Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 i like the two par sign up also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJ Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 Hey what's good for the "goose"should be good for the "gander"! I have always thought this was all about trust and if I can cough up my address then everyone should besides it seems to be standard practice anymore. Also I have received many nice message's from other members being able to have access to my address. Need I say more? Good point and glad to see something is being done about this problem. Best to All, >>->happyjack<-< One more thing- should it be someone's primary address or should someone be able to use a yahoo or netscape one for example??? I am for using our primary one and then I feel someone is really on the up and up. My opinion and subject to change without notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 Kent, If someone is unwilling to submit their real e-mail address to the club we shouldn't fool with them. If they aren't willing to allow return e-mail from the club and club members I don't want them in the club. My 2¢ worth. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 Kent, it appears that you do most, if not all, of the work on this website. This is a quality site, and you should not be frustrated by false e-mail addresses, or other information. I would have no objection to re-registering. Thanks for all the work you do......... Herb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 5, 2000 Author Share Posted June 5, 2000 I agree, the part of being a club is being able to trust other people in your club. If they can't put in the real e-mail address, then just delete them. Make it right Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpawrichard Posted June 5, 2000 Share Posted June 5, 2000 I feel as all of the other fine members above, if we don't trust and help each other out; we've lost the battle! Everyone that is afraid to submit their email address should be deleted from the ranks of the club! Our privacy statement makes it perfectly clear that all the safeguards are in place to keep their address safe from the "wierd-o's" of cyber space! Our officers and especially Kent NEED to be able to get ahold of the members from time to time, and they shouldn't have to waste their precious time with bum addresses! Just my two cents worth, now I'll go back outside in the Washington Rain and mow my wet yard! 80) grandpawrichard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2000 Share Posted June 6, 2000 Please require correct email addresses, it is a common curtousey(sp) among friends. If a person does not want to pass it along, what are they up to? Great job guys, keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2000 Share Posted June 6, 2000 While there appear to have been few problems from the current system, providing a valid address seems a small price for a free membership. Non-members could still get access to much of the info in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2000 Share Posted June 6, 2000 Kent, this is my first post on your site. I say out with the non-conformers. If someone is unwilling to give a vaild e-mail address, then give them the boot or even better, do not let them join. This is not too much to ask of a user. Just a thought, my Hotmail address is my primary e-mail account. With five family members on the WEB, it is much cheaper and easier for me to have my own Hotmail account. I can access this account at home, work, in the car, or library. So I hope you will allow us to have Yahoo, Netscape, or Hotmail accounts. Our differences are what make all of us stronger and wiser. And yes, thanks to you for all your hard work. george "in the log cabin" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_RI Posted June 6, 2000 Share Posted June 6, 2000 Kent, I'm there with all the others ..... if someone's not willing to provide a valid eMail address I think that's reason enough not to allow them to join & and certainly if there are members that have not provided valid info -- dump them !!! --. It's more work on you Kent, but I really don't think you should agonize over it - "boot‘em & ask questions later". As for the 2-step sign up, again it's more work for you (sorry) but I think it's a good idea (in the long run it may make your life easier). Thanks, John(ri) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 7, 2000 Author Share Posted June 7, 2000 Looks pretty unanimous to me -- I'll start deleting membership records of those with bad email addresses. I'll also start working on a "two-step" registration process, as described. This will be a bit of work, so it'll take me a bit to get it going.... Also, I've been thinking thaat I might need to start sending periodic "quality control" emails like ones I get from a few sites. You know, the "No need to reply to this email, it is just a quality control check of your email address...." I'll start working on some of this stuff. Thanks for your input as always. Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanS Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 Kent, I've never regreted using my (nearly) full name as my club nick-name because you've always run a tight ship. I've never received junk or spam because of leaving a correct Email address. Of course TDS.NET is great about rebuffing junk without you having to ask. Let's stay the best club by exercising the [DELETE] key for those who refuse to comply with so few rules. Then start the 2 part sign-up for those who are serious about joining the web's best club. Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyk Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Ditto for me. you are to be commended for execellent job,going to buy t-shirt and mug, Wally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Hello Kent I do agree that if the people are not willing to give true information then they should not be allowed to use site. Like the voteing on the NT situation as to there should be a tractor site and a non tractor site then all can be happy I hope. But then you might always have some one who will wreck it for every one. Like I have a problem as to when I come in it always comes in under my guys site name and address and I have to clairfy that it is me with my e-mail address til I can get my tower updated to possibly clairify the situation. Thanks Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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