Guest Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 I currently own a 416H and have located a tiller that fits a AC B112. It goes up for auction tomorrow. I need help!! Will this tiller fit my 416H. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good_Ole_JR Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 Hi Larry, From what I have read and heard I really don't think the tiller your interested in will fit. I have checked into this before myself because I have a 1964 landlord and have run into the same problem. The rear hitch on your 400 serier's is suppost to be diferent the the landlord. I could be wrong but maybe someone else can correct me on this. Best of Luck, >>->happyjack<-<< p.s. The 400 is a larger frame tractor and the pto is electric for the mower and you would also need a cone clutch for the side pto if I am correct for the tiller to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 I have a 36" tiller I run on my B-10 or B-212 and even a 716 6 speed, my tiller has a ilder you can kick in and out. The only thing i have change is the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2000 Share Posted June 7, 2000 The AC 416 is a totally different tractor and was made by Ac down south when Ac owned and build there own tractors in there own plant. If you look at the 300 and 400 seriers tractors you can see that they look completly different then all the other Ac and Simplicity tractors. They used a electic pto clutch on the front of the engine where as the Simplcity's used the cone clutch on the pto box. Also the rear hitch assembly is different then the Simplicity of the same year or years. Just a sugestion to make sure that I am correct or even partly is to look under x-reference's and see if the hitch mounting points are the same and also like I said the pto type. I am not stateing that it will not work but just that someone will have to do a fair amount of work to make it fit and then have it work the correct way along with buying a cone clutch. Like I also said I am not 100 percent possitive but just some food for thought untill you find out for sure. >>->happyjack<-<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlcentral Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 The biggest reason it won't work is the 300-400 ser AC's don't have the cone clutch on the bev box as they didn't need it because of the frt. elec. pto assy.Rear hitch and lift should fit but no way to engage tiller! dlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 I have run into one more issue. I have know of a 412 that the sleeve hitch is 1-1/8" dia. instead of the Simplicity 1". I was going to buy the roto-tiller from this tractor until I measured the rod that goes into the sleeve hitch. Everything else on the tiller would work, and it was made by Sim. MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlcentral Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 You can't use the above B ser pto on the 400 because the 400 has the new style shaft out of the bev box,7/8"dia. Go find a pulley with that inner dimension!In addition the 400 only has on that bev. box shaft 1 single woodruff key slot 3/16" cut into the outside of the shaft not allowing for proper belt alignment.Can't say I knew about the differences in sleeve hitch diams.on the tillers,,,Hmmm,,, You learn something every day I spose! dlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 Larry, Sounds like you need to make sure you get the rear PTO tiller drive mechanism that goes with it, and not just the tiller itself. Then, you might be able to make it work... No guarantees, though, cause I don't know the 416H. Look at this picture of a B-110/112 with a tiller. Note the BIG pulley that's running a separate belt. This big pulley attaches to the tractor (not the tiller) using a cross-shaft on the rear hitch. The drive belt connects to an additional drive pulley on the left side of the bevel gear box. There is an idler pulley underneath the tractor, connected to an clutch engagement lever that you can barely see (there's a round black knob, if you look really close, down and to the right of the cross-shaft). This is what clutches the tiller. Then, you can use a tiller WITHOUT having the cone clutch on the bevel gear box, since the drive pulley on the bevel gear box can be "live" at all times. There's another U-shaped piece, a belt guide/stop that mounts on the tractor frame just behind the bevel gear box. This guide/stop keeps the belt clasped together enough when the tension is released on the idler pulley that the bevel gear box pulley will spin inside the belt. The clutch for the tiller will NOT work properly without it. However, you could likely fabricate this piece, if needed, since it's a simple [ shape, mounted on a bracket... These "rear PTO drives" are hard things to find -- they quite often stay with the tractor and people don't want to let go of them.... More than likely the belt guide/stop DID remain on the tractor, since it has to be unbolted. (The rear PTO/tiller drive mechanism disconnects with a pin and slides off the mounting shaft.) Hope this helps... again, no guarantees, but if the rear hitch/lift is the same, you can overcome the cone clutch issue IF you get the right rear PTO/tiller drive mechanism... Kent http://www.simpletractors.com/images/1968_ac/112_tiller_pg7_lg.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 8, 2000 Share Posted June 8, 2000 I certainly learned a lot about these AC-unique tractors.... Wonder how we can capture some of this "knowledge" and make it easily accessible to new members/owners? Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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