3314 Rear Lift Question

[dvdriz]

I have a 1971 3314 V and fabricated a rear hitch for it per the plans provided on this site. The book says this tractor uses a lift cable and pulley system to activate the rear attachments. However, the mounting tabs that should be there for the pulley are not there and also it looks like a straight shot from the lift mechanism to the rear of the tractor as though this tractor uses a lift rod instead. In fact I tried a cable without the pulley and it seems to work fine. Just curious if anyone knows which lift system this tractor originally came with? Thanks

[Ronald Hribar]

I am not an expert, but I THINK the 3314 had solid rod to rear and possibly the 3416 had the cable.

[D-17_Dave]

With the start of the 3300 series these atrted thr RBT's. All these had were the cable lift models, right. I think they had the cable so it reversed the dirrection of the rear lift so as you pulled back on the lift rod it raised every lift point and lowered every lift point when pushed forward. Or at least that's how I seem to remember it. Also I think there was somewhere I remember someone switching the cable around so it would work like a FDT so the rear would counterweight the front blade or deck. So it should work either way with the proper size cable. It just depends on what you want it to do.

[UCD]

The 3300 used a 2 piece lift rod with a slip joint in the middle of it. you could not apply down preasure with it and was designed to be used with the electric lift so that a jumping rototiller would not damage the electric lift which didn't have a float position. This rod is not shown in the 3300 parts manuals. I thought I had a picture of one posted but I can't find it. The 3400 Simplicity 700 Allis Chalmers and 7000 series Simplicity went to the cable and pulley.

[gregc]

Maynard, Is this what you were looking for? [img]http://i17.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/d9/1a/ab_1.JPG[/img]

[Kent]

Yes, Greg, that's one. Ironically, the 3012 with hydraulic lift that I picked up a few months ago had one of those on it, also...

[D-17_Dave]

So is a 3314 a RBT or a FDT? I thought when they changed to RBT's they made the switch to the cables. I certainly don't want to give the incorect info. The 3200 are the last FDT's aren't they?

[Kent]

3300 and 3400 series are "tweeners" -- they have the frame, sheet metal and running boards of the 7000 series, but they have much the same running gear as the FDTs... variable speeds, Vickers hydros, old-style center PTO (i.e. no cone clutch), Briggs engines, etc. These were being made at the same time Allis was making their own unique 300 and 400 series, so they're not quite as well known as the "interchangeable" models...

[ambler]

Kent my 3416 has a cone clutch and a vickers hydro. Its identical to my system 7016

[D-17_Dave]

OK, that makes sence. Believe me, I don't mind being wrong, I just hate to give out the wrong info. It's been one of those days down here anyway.lolGot nothing done here but sit in line all day to get my truck tags.

[Kent]

Ambler, I'm not sure but I think some 3400 series came without cone clutches. I certainly could be wrong, since I'm a foot-dragger anyway...

[UCD]

Riz One question, in what book did you find that the 3300 had a cable lift? In my over 700 manuals I can not find where it shows that. The 3300 was the first RBT but had the old style mid pto and a rear lift rod. The 3400 was the first tractor with cone clutch mid pto and rear lift cable. There was no Simplicity equivalent to The Allis Chalmers 300, 400 series. Likewise there was no Allis Chalmers equivalent to the Simplicity 3300, 3400 series. This was due the governments involvement with trade laws during 1971/72/73/74. The attachments were the same but the hitches were designed so that they would not interchange. The Homelite tractors were also in this group with Some made by Allis Chalmers and Some made by Simplicity with it's own style of attchment hitches. The next equivalent Simplicity and Allis Chalmers series was 1975 up 700 series Allis Chalmers and Simplicity 7000 series. The first 700, 7000 series used the same headlights as the 3300, 3400 series. This was also the first series to use the Sundstrand Hydro although I believe you could also find a few early ones with the Vickers Hydro. I had a new 7016 with a Vickers Hydro. I hope I have not confused to many people.

[D-17_Dave]

Maynard, you didn't confuse me I stay that way.lol

[ambler]

Kent, you need to broaden you experience maybe get a 1920. The 3300 was the tweener. I restrain myself from buying them. The cone clutch configuration was stable from 1974-2000.

[D-17_Dave]

Lookout Kent, it sounds like he's trying to get you an infultration in your FDT coalition.lol

[PeppyDan]

If the 3300 series uses the center pto like the fdt's, then does it use an engagement lever like the fdt's and how did they mount or configure it, or does it use the lever built into the frame like the later rbt's? Dan

[Kent]

Well, I was at Cal Neely's dealership this afternoon, and looked at the Legacy XL more than once -- but I didn't get too close to it... I can't afford to get the "new tractor fever"... :D

[ReedS]

Now to really confuse the issue...the allis built homelites of that era (early 70"s) used an electric pto clutch from the pto end of the engine (and didn't have a center pto at all) although the frame was a combination of the earlier B's and the later simplicity 3400 (and I suppose 3300, etc). Also being that odd combo they also had running board on what would otherwise be an fdt frame with a front axle that was truly unique to the Homelites. The shuttle model I had here for a while didn't have a rear lift on it (at least when I got it) but had a cable for the deck lift if memory serves.:p;)

[ambler]

Kent I don't think you should go directly to the Legacy, you should do it gradually. first a 919H with hydro lift and a twin driving that snowblower. Then the 1920 with PS and two speed transaxel. wouldn't be a sudden strain on the heart.

[dvdriz]

UCD, The manual I had had a hand-written part number for the rear lift kit. I downloaded the manual for this part number from the Simplicity website. Obviously the hand-written number is incorrect now that I have the correct information. Thanks for the help.