What do you all think about this?

[GWGAllisfan]

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[tanman722001]

It dont look like a 16hp.Maybe it is the way im looking at it.Just my opion.Tony

[rokon2813]

If I had to guess, I would think that is a 9 or 10 hp, possibly 12, not a 16. i'm certainly not an expert, but everything I've seen 12 hp and up was synchro-balanced. That has the bearing plate of a non synchro engine on it. I've been told, 12's came both ways. The 4 screw flojet and somewhat "pointed" points cover suggest it is bigger than a model 19 (7 hp) Just my opinions. ;)

[SmilinSam]

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Originally posted by rokon2813
If I had to guess, I would think that is a 9 or 10 hp, possibly 12, not a 16. i'm certainly not an expert, but everything I've seen 12 hp and up was synchro-balanced. That has the bearing plate of a non synchro engine on it. I've been told, 12's came both ways. The 4 screw flojet and somewhat "pointed" points cover suggest it is bigger than a model 19 (7 hp) Just my opinions. ;)

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Paper cartridge filter makes it 71' or newer. That type of carb was not used on the 9hp so its a 10-16hp. The only Stationary ones I've run across in these parts like the opne pictured were either 10hp or 16hp. Never have run across one in between. The numbers are there, embossed into the shroud, if he'd just wire brush the paint off on the appropriate side and location they would show right up. Unless he produced some numbers showing it to be a 32000 series, then just to be safe I'd assume its a 24000 series 10 hp. As to the synchrobalancers, I thought they all had one under the flywheel. 1967 -71 or so they added a second balancer on the pto side for the 12-14 hp engines. Could be wrong, frequently am..........

[rokon2813]

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Originally posted by SmilinSam As to the synchrobalancers, I thought they all had one under the flywheel. 1967 -71 or so they added a second balancer on the pto side for the 12-14 hp engines. Could be wrong, frequently am..........

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I could be wrong also. I was just under the impression all of them above 12 hp had the balancers on the pto end... Either way, I wouldnt bet on it being a 16 without proof ;)

[HubbardRA]

If any of you guys want to ask questions about this engine, I am sure that Randy will not mind answering them. Both Clyde and I have bought tractors from him in the past. He appears to an honest guy. If you want to email him it is Cubfarm69@aol.com.

[Al]

Hi, I would tend to think it is a 16. My 16s had the flat pto plate, the 12s had the extended plate with the bearing and weight in them. Also my 16 has the longer intake manifold. My 12s and 10 as I recall had a shorter intake mainifold. This increases the torque at lower rpms. I would think putting a 16 manifold on the 10 and 12s would move the troque curve down. My 2 cents worth and its free. This time especially, value accordingly. Al Eden

[D-17_Dave]

Looks like it has the larger air filter w/ the longer manifold that Al mentioned. Also it has the offset long tab to mount the air shroud on the side behind the tank. I think the only engines that had that were the 14's-16's. I know the 240000 had the smaller air shroud. As for a 16, right now it's cheap enough. And I'd love to have a truckload of 16's.

[GWGAllisfan]

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I may try for it. I'm sorta working with limited funds. Around here whenever I ask if anyone has seen a castiron briggs they look at me like I'm crazy....so i keep hoping i can find one somewhere

[RayS]

I will have to agree with Sam. The 12 and 14hp came with the front PTO side cover assembly. It has to be a 10 or a 16 hp.

[SmilinSam]

Not all the 12's and 14's had the syncrobalancer on teh pto side. I ve only seen them on there from 1967 till the end of the 3300 series in about 1972. After 72 when the 3400 series came out I ve seen 12hp, 13hp, 14,hp and 15 hp Briggs units with the flat bearing plate like the one in the picture. As far as intake manifolds, I don't want to disagree with Al, but as far as visual examples goes,out of the many Briggs units I have had pass through here, all the 1970 and older using the foam air filter assembly used the short neck and all the ones 1971 and newer using the paper cartridge type air filter used the long neck. This on all HP ranges from 10-16hp. To me that kinda leaves the question of whether the necks had to do with torque or whether they simply had to do with accomodating a taller air filter aseembly. More questions than answers.... Answer is, I think I'm wrong and Al is right. My memoy is bad enough I can't adhere to it this time....

[acken]

This one looks original, but B&S did offer an update kit to convert to dry filter. It contained filter, longer cover, longer stud, and a cupped washer for holding filter down. I do not know part number, but I know at least some of the parts are still available. I converted 1 10hp, and my 16.

[Al]

Sam, You are probably right. You notice I said Value accordingly, especially this time. Al

[Chris727]

Looks like a 14 or 16 to me. I'd need to see the top of the head to know with more certainty. The 16HP head has more of a slant on the flywheel side with 3 short headbolts.

[RayS]

[quote]Originally posted by SmilinSam
Not all the 12's and 14's had the syncrobalancer on teh pto side. I ve only seen them on there from 1967 till the end of the 3300 series in about 1972. After 72 when the 3400 series came out I ve seen 12hp, 13hp, 14,hp and 15 hp Briggs units with the flat bearing plate like the one in the picture. Sam, you maybe correct I was refering to the 12 and 14 hp that I have here and my manuals that I have for the both of them show the synchrobalancer covers as well for the both of them. But who knows what they did after 72, Mine are both earlier motors and i just assumed that they were all that way.

[HubbardRA]

Well, I trusted you guys enough to bid $85 on the engine. I got outbid. I really didn't need another engine anyway.

[nrallen]

My neighbor has one that looks exactly like this one. The neighbor and I both thought it was a 16 because it looked just like my 16, until he bought some parts that didn't fit. so I ran the #'s for him and low and behold it was a 12hp built in 1968. big suprise for both of us.

[B.Ikard]

Persistance pays off....I am finally the proud owner of a cast iron Briggs!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4356910794&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 I'll probably go ahead and put my 14 Kohler back together for my 7012 and keep the Briggs as a spare. Honestly, the prices are very low for these engines compared to the Kohlers. I don't know if the pullers have driven the prices up or what. Ike