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I'm ever so close... For some time now I have been salivating over a new tractor and am liking the 27hp Legacy. I would get the FEL and 60" deck of the bat. I got the video from Simplicity and love the features it offers (power steering, super quick attaching of implements, standard 540 pto, 4wd, shaft drive, heavy duty frame, joystick hydralics, std 3-pt hitch, etc). Granted, I haven't visited my local dealer yet to test drive - mainly because I know I'd already have laid a deposit down. However, the $800 factory rebate is running out so I must act one way or the other. I have -and will continue to own- an A/C 912H which has been a most capable machine. The two requirements I have for the new one are 1- able to the jobs I want it to do, and 2- Made in America. If there are similar machines, I will pick made in USA when feasible. I read that smaller JD machines are made by Yuasa or something so they are out. I see the B&S 27hp diesel is made by Daihatsu, but apparently there are no equivalent US diesels out there so I can accept that. I add my buy American philosophy because most reviews compare the Legacy XL to Kubota and JD. I'm sure they are fine machines, but I won't buy them. So back to my question, I know about the good in the Legacy, but has anyone experienced any negatives? Randy
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I think it's a fine machine i also have the video. the 4x4 Legacy XL with the FEL and 60" mower deck is 14k take 800 off that and you still have damn near, 14 k. lol Does it do a better job than what you have? Maybe not. Is it much cooler than what you have? Prolly so. The one thing i saw and i really wanted to see more of it was the guy running into a pile of peagravel and comming out of it with a nearly full bucket and them making a dash in the wet to a nearby location and haveing no apparent issue getting the load or getting around with the load. and unless the footage was sped up he was going at a good clip. So it was kinna impresive. The dealer asked me if i wanted to take it home for a test drive. Whoo hoo. I didn't think i could afford that one. Like you if it is in my hands it's prolly going to stay right there. My prob is the dealer is a full 100 miles 1 way. Yet i have a dealer 10 miles from me who kinna likes Honda better and he has said he does not intend to have Simplicty products beyond the Regency. So it is a 100 mile trip for the better attitude. However Briggs Owns Simplicity now, and Briggs may require some of their stores to allow flooring for the Simplicity line. That would take the snub nose ninny out of the loop and provide a better support base so i would not have to make the 100 mile trip for the better attitude. As it is the best support in my area is the Kubota dealer. And i dearly do not want to deal with this bunch because of the lack of support for a used 7117 they sold me and the engine came apart. I payed them to deliver it and they would not come to pick it up when it broke down. Their competitor JD accross the street, makes house calls. I dont wanna Deer. On top of that the tranny in the Legacy XL is kinna voodoo mechanics right now. If they had the 6 speed Hi-Lo then because of the history and dependabilty of that product i would prolly be sold. The AGCO ST-25 has a 6 speed x2 im not sure if the x2 means hi-lo or if that means 2wd. In any even the AGCO is 250 miles from me. yes i could go 47 miles and have them order me one, but i have to go 250 miles to put my hands on one. So in ending this long winded approval of your choice. If the dealer is supportive about the Legacy XL and he has the implements you want. You must have your suspenders stuck on the door screen hook, Go get-em, and best wishes.
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Hello RandyNY, The Cub Cadet 5000 series is comparable to the Simp. I was also considering the Legacy XL but ended up with a Cub Cadet 7254 which is quite a bit larger. Simmilar in size to a Power Max series Simplicity. 16" rear rims, 12" front rims, 650 lbs capacity on the loader, Cat 1 3pt can handle 1100lbs and 20 Hp PTO. 2 Range Hydro, auto 4x4, power steering, loader joystick on the right fender next to the 3pt height control. Current model is only available with a 30HP Catipillar Diesel (I've got 25HP Kawasaki Gas). Best thing is that with the exception of the rear transmission casting, the whole machine is made in the USA. Not to be confused with the Mitsubishi tractors that Cub also imports which are larger. It's the yellow one in this photo, orange one in the back is a powermax.

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Hello RandyNY, The Cub Cadet 5000 series is comparable to the Simp. I was also considering the Legacy XL but ended up with a Cub Cadet 7254 which is quite a bit larger. Simmilar in size to a Power Max series Simplicity. 16" rear rims, 12" front rims, 650 lbs capacity on the loader, Cat 1 3pt can handle 1100lbs and 20 Hp PTO. 2 Range Hydro, auto 4x4, power steering, loader joystick on the right fender next to the 3pt height control. Current model is only available with a 30HP Catipillar Diesel (I've got 25HP Kawasaki Gas). Best thing is that with the exception of the rear transmission casting, the whole machine is made in the USA. Not to be confused with the Mitsubishi tractors that Cub also imports which are larger. It's the yellow one in this photo, orange one in the back is a powermax. [img]/club2/attach/arnoldir/mini-fleet1.jpg[/img]
Hey Arnold, You may wanna take the Cub in fer a check up. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml04/04512.html Seems there is a recall on for your model -------------------------------------------- Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- November 18, 2003 CPSC, Cub Cadet Corp. Announce Recall of Compact Tractors The following product safety recall was conducted voluntarily by the firm in cooperation with the CPSC. Consumers should stop using the product immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: Cub Cadet Series 7000 Compact Tractors Units: 2,000 Manufacturer: Cub Cadet LLC (Cub Cadet), of Cleveland, Ohio. Hazard: The tractor's high/low shift lever could pop out of gear into neutral during operation on steep slopes with attachments, such as a back-hoe or front-end loader installed. This could result in the machine "free-wheeling" until the brake is applied or the transmission is re- engaged, posing a risk of the operator losing control of the tractor. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: Model number 7252, 7254, 7264, or 7304 is written on the hood of the tractor. Sold At: Authorized Cub Cadet dealers nationwide from May 2002 through mid-October 2003 for between $10,000 and $14,300. Manufactured In: U.S.A. Remedy: Consumers should contact the Cub Cadet dealerships where the tractor was purchased to schedule a free repair. Consumer Contact: Call Cub Cadet toll-free at (888) 848-6038 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday.
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I do agree that 14K$ is a lot of money for a tractor of this size. My dad bought his 2004 Massey Ferguson 231S "42 Hp farm tractor and a lot larger for roughly 11,500$. But you are making a good decision with the american made, since most of the big boxes are made on foreign soil, but then again if it lasts as long as the tractor i have "1967 A-C B-110 you will well have your money's worth.
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Hello Leroy, Thanks for the heads up, I found the recall info while researching the purchase and my tractor was fitted with the new shift plate at the dealer before it was shipped out. As far as the legacy XL, if I could have gotten by with that size machine I would have bought one as I'd prefer to support Simplicity. I bought the 720 Allis (power Max)first, and got used to that size machine and could not get by with smaller. As it is now, I have to stack cement blocks in the bucket to be able to move my dump trailer when using a 3pt receiver adapter.
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Leroy, Why do you say the K-92 tranny is voodoo mechanics? Because it's new or some other problem? I called my local dealer - doesn't have any on display - he says I can check out another potential customer's XL w/ FEL loader that he hopes to bring in to the shop. He only gave me list prices: 11250 base, 1629 for deck, 3200 for FEL = 16079 = 17485 incl tax = wow! That is a lot. Did you get a quote for 14K for the package? I don't know what kind of discount to expect but he has to sharoen his pencil quite a bit, especially if he doesn't even have them to demo. I wanted the diesel anyway, but he said to stay away from the Kohler Command because of "problems". I like the XL over the Cub Cadet mainly because of the size. I have two acres, some wooded. It would mainly be a mowing machine/trailer puller. The loader would be used mainly for mulch and light earth moving. Some, especially my wife, would call this package overkill. But I figure you only live once, and this could quite possibly be the greatest toy I'll ever own in my life. I watch the demo video every day and my heart races every time I see it. I love machines.
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I love my AGCO 2027 Diesel .I think for the money you cant go wrong.I think you have something to worry about if you are planning on doing more than the tractor is rated to do. This is what i dont understand about people ,they want to push stuff to where they break it and then complain about it after the money is spenton their tractors. The tractor is rated to do so much and if you want to do more than what it is capable of doing ,spend the money and buy something bigger.I hear everybody trying to compare the Legacy XL to the 620 or 720.You have more tractor on my oppion with the new.I havent used my 620 like alot of you but have used my AGCO 2027 to move mulch,dirt and have rolled with it.I like everything about it better than the 620.This is my oppion only.I wouldnt spend the money any other way.The Legacy XL is the best i have seen from Simplicity yet.You can spend your money on restoring these 30 yr old tractors all you want,but i fill like the AGCO 2027/Legacy XL is the best for me for mowing,plowing snow,moving dirt,mulch and whatever else i use the tractor for.I like the diesel over gas anyday of the week.
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Hi, Last year we sold 5 of these tractors, and they have exceeded our expectations. We have not seen or had one of the tractors back in yet. One came in today with the center spindle in the mower damaged. They have been bullet proof. We have been impressed. Al Eden
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No, go ahead if you can afford it...they are awesome. The only thing I don't like is the bucket is a 'bit' cheesey. Other than that, it's got Simplicity toughness written all over it! Would be nice to see the flag colors come back but hey, change is change. Our kids will be groping for parts in 25 years or so!
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Leroy, Why do you say the K-92 tranny is voodoo mechanics? Because it's new or some other problem? I called my local dealer - doesn't have any on display - he says I can check out another potential customer's XL w/ FEL loader that he hopes to bring in to the shop. He only gave me list prices: 11250 base, 1629 for deck, 3200 for FEL = 16079 = 17485 incl tax = wow! That is a lot. Did you get a quote for 14K for the package? I don't know what kind of discount to expect but he has to sharoen his pencil quite a bit, especially if he doesn't even have them to demo. I wanted the diesel anyway, but he said to stay away from the Kohler Command because of "problems". I like the XL over the Cub Cadet mainly because of the size. I have two acres, some wooded. It would mainly be a mowing machine/trailer puller. The loader would be used mainly for mulch and light earth moving. Some, especially my wife, would call this package overkill. But I figure you only live once, and this could quite possibly be the greatest toy I'll ever own in my life. I watch the demo video every day and my heart races every time I see it. I love machines.
Yep he said 14 k FEL and 60 inch mower deck. Yes because the K92 tranny is new. I would like a 6 speed because i don't like the wine. I listen to to much whining at work and from inlaws. My tractor should be more peace filled. Find a gear that works and stay there. So the dealer i visited is being very resonable with respect to your prices. Maybe you could try a diffent pencil sharpner for him or check out another dealer. The Kubota 2910 30 HP is 16k with an FEL mower deck is 2200.00. Could be, ya'll are haveing good paying jobs there and the dealerships are getting a good cut of it. Check this site. For current list prices. http://www.simplicitymfg.com/legacy_xl.php They are near your sharp pencil quote. But that is list price. Msrp is not necessarily a good deal, but if your happy thats what matters you have to pay fer it.
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Hi, Last year we sold 5 of these tractors, and they have exceeded our expectations. We have not seen or had one of the tractors back in yet. One came in today with the center spindle in the mower damaged. They have been bullet proof. We have been impressed. Al Eden
Al, Your a sight for sore eyes here. Did Spouses buy them for Christmas gifts? Even if they were, No problems to report is good. Thank you for sharing your insight. Brand new stuff kinna scares me. I like the tried and true. Do you know if the Legacy XL, can out pull a 9020? Seems like a 10' pole question no one likes to touch it.
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I love my AGCO 2027 Diesel .I think for the money you cant go wrong.I think you have something to worry about if you are planning on doing more than the tractor is rated to do. This is what i dont understand about people ,they want to push stuff to where they break it and then complain about it after the money is spenton their tractors. The tractor is rated to do so much and if you want to do more than what it is capable of doing ,spend the money and buy something bigger.I hear everybody trying to compare the Legacy XL to the 620 or 720.You have more tractor on my oppion with the new.I havent used my 620 like alot of you but have used my AGCO 2027 to move mulch,dirt and have rolled with it.I like everything about it better than the 620.This is my oppion only.I wouldnt spend the money any other way.The Legacy XL is the best i have seen from Simplicity yet.You can spend your money on restoring these 30 yr old tractors all you want,but i fill like the AGCO 2027/Legacy XL is the best for me for mowing,plowing snow,moving dirt,mulch and whatever else i use the tractor for.I like the diesel over gas anyday of the week.
New has to have an appeal. If you didn't have it you may still like the 720. The Agco 2027 is not the Legacy XL. It seems the AGCO is a bit better. The Legacy XL does not have the hi-lo. While a backhoe may be mentioned for the Legacy XL the AGCO Displays one with it attached. Also they are made by seperate companys. While they are kinna blood brothers so to speak from the Allis Chalmers/Simplicity close business ties in the past and AGCO's aquisition of Allis Chalmers. Those buying parts can still go there and get some of the Allis parts they need. Im not doubting that AGCO is possibly a supplier for the Legacy as well. I doubt they they were cut from the same pattern because of copyright issues. What i'm trying to nail down and it should be up front is what strengths they have so overloading is not an issue. So it would seem to me the Manufactures are selling the sizzle and smell and avoiding the meat of the issue, WORK. Sub compacts are not designed for commercial work for sure. But they could help out.
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Chad's Agco 2027 is a Legacy XL with different decals... made in Port Washington, WI. His is a unique "demonstrator", but still a Legacy.
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Hello Leroy, Thanks for the heads up, I found the recall info while researching the purchase and my tractor was fitted with the new shift plate at the dealer before it was shipped out. As far as the legacy XL, if I could have gotten by with that size machine I would have bought one as I'd prefer to support Simplicity. I bought the 720 Allis (power Max)first, and got used to that size machine and could not get by with smaller. As it is now, I have to stack cement blocks in the bucket to be able to move my dump trailer when using a 3pt receiver adapter.
Is it the Cub or 720 that you have to stack cement blocks in the loader? Another option would be to get suitcase weights for the front bumper. is the 3pt receiver adapter, for a ball hitch for the dump trailer?
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Chad's Agco 2027 is a Legacy XL with different decals... made in Port Washington, WI. His is a unique "demonstrator", but still a Legacy.
Well i'm a bit confused. http://www.agcolawn.com/2027series.html When clicking on promotions it takes you to the http://www.simplicitymfg.com/promotions.php That is interesting because the dealer i visited said the previous years model had the Hi-Lo and this years model does not. He also said he thought the Hi-Lo was an improvement and better than the unit without it. The Agco 2027 still offer the Hi-Lo on the K92. I reconcile that the the financing group recognises the two as the same. Also the posibilty exsists that AGCO has Simplicity as the OEM on the subcompact and riding mower products for AGCO. As Chads unit came off the line the labeler possibly hadn't changed decals because it was so close to beer 30, and it ended up as an AGCO and not a Legacy. So my question is, does Chads unit have the Hi-Lo?
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Simplicity OWNS the rights for, manufactures and sells and supplies all parts for both the Agco and Massey-Ferguson branded machines in the Lawn & Garden class, up to and including the Legacy size machines. The larger machines come through the Agco company, headquartered in Georgia, I believe. Simplicity bought and retained the rights for the Allis brand name when Allis went under and Deutz bought them in the late 1980's... Deutz didn't even have a lawn and garden line that they imported. Simplicity expanded that same relationship for Massey-Ferguson, when Agco was later formed. Simplicity also builds and maintains the Agcolawn and Masseylawn websites, as far as I know, though that is subcontracted out. Chad's machine is a bit unique (a "one-off") since that combination of diesel engine and transmission never went into full production, as I understand it... it was a demonstrator that never made it into full production. IMO, if your primary use will be either mowing or snow-blowing, you won't find a better machine than a Legacy XL. Those are excellent performing attachments. If your primary use will be either loader work or 3-point attachments, other machines such as a Kubota B-series (not the smaller BX) may be better suited for the task....
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Ok, So the Allis brand in Agriculture belongs to AGCO, and Simplicty has the Lawn and Garden portion of the Allis Chalmers brand. Same goes for the Massey-Ferguson. I read of the aquisitions for AGCO and the Allis Chalmers brand put them on the map. I didn't read that the Lawn and Garden was spun to the Simplicity Brand. So is the 9020 and 720 not Lawn and Garden? Simplicty engineering say they have no reliable data with respect to comparisons on the LegacyXL and the 9020. The 3Cylinder Diahatsu is available in the Legacy XL. So the decal mishap would make it a one-off maybe. As the Hi-Lo is not on the LegacyXL but is on the AGCO 2027. Something tells me it is a bolt on attachment for the transmisson and it could be installed aftermarket. I would not think that they took it off the Legacy because the diesel was under powerd. The dealer indicated he could not get the K92 with Hi-Lo. just stuff to ponder.
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Leroy, All the AC lawn stuff has been simplicity except for the a couple of years when Allis owned simplicity and the government would not allow it. AGCO has never had lawn equipement they just took over the deal AC and Deutz-Allis had with Simplicity, when AGCO bought Massey they added Massey lawn stuff again provided my simplicity. Over the years the AC may have offered a motor or such, but the basic tractor was a twin to a simplicity model. Check out Agco918's post [url]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46446&SearchTerms=AGCO,2027[/url] it explains his Agco diesel tractor including the serial #1.
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The 300 & 400 series made in Lexington ,South Carolina are the only tractors made by Allis Chalmers .Kent,You couldnt have explained it all any better.My AGCO 2027 is a Legacy XL with AGCO decals.As Kent ,Said same tractor,same everything.When ,we have a Allis Chalmers show around here in the future,i will show the tractor.What matters if the tractor out pulls the 720 either way/You cant compare a 2 cy gas to a 3cy diesel.If you know anything about diesels,they have more torque.Leroy, My Agco 2027 serial # 1 is the only tractor made with a Diesel engine in it.The tractor was made for AGCO to to demo as a tool to try to sell to AGCO dealers.The tractor is the same tractor, Legacy XL just has AGCO 2027 decals on it.You question what it pulls.Why is this such a concern?It sounds like you just dont see a reason to spend the money on a new tractor which is fine for you,for me,spending the money $1500.00 or better on a loader plus $3000.00 or better to do my tractor the way i wanted to go through it and restore it ,i bought a new AGCO 2027 Diesel.I dont know what you want to pull with your tractors but with my Agco 2027,i have plenty of power to pull or use the loader.I dont think we are giving you the answer that you want to hear or something else i am not forsure.No disrespect to you at all but i dont know what you want to know that we havent told you.The Legacy XL is the best of best.You cant get any better.I would like to see Simplicity make a tractor a little more bigger for landscapers to compete against deere and kubota.I think people need to have a use for a tractor like the Legacy XL to spend the money on one.If you are wanting to buy one see what kind of deal you can get on them.My dealer gave me a deal i couldnt pass up.I would do it again.I wanted something with a loader and 3 point plus rear pto.The legacy XL has all of these.
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Yep i got the one of a kind info down. My question as to weather the Legacy XL can out pull the 9020 has not been answerd. So skewz me while i ask the question until i gets the answer. Simplicity Engineering said they have no reliable data. With that answer i'm not done with the question. What does it matter, You ask? Because i may have an opurtunity to buy a nice 9020 and with implements for less than half the $$ of the new Legacy XL without implements. Money matters and the proven history of the simplicity brand makes about any investment worth while. So as i said to the original poster BUY the Legacy XL But Simplicitys own web site shows the price he was quoted if not more. So he is not getting a sharp pencile deal. Shopping is wize. So if my questions offend you. sorry
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You dont offend me at all.Buy the 9020 if you can get a good deal.I am very happy to hear that you can get a good deal on a tractor with attachments .I couldnt find what i wanted so i bought a new AGCO 2027 diesel at a very good deal to say the least.I would think,this is just me that the Legacy XL should be able to match what the 620,720,4041,4040 tractors do & maybe a little more.You are not going to be able to know unless you had both tractors side by side and put them to the test.
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I understand your enthusiam . For the most part a matched test is the truth. But Simplicty Engineeing didn't have reliable data to conclude. Those guys-girls know the calulations to determine what gears go where and how much hydraulic fluid is flowing at a certain point and how much work is being deliverd to the rear axel. So mathmatically the info is known. Is the difference so small it makes no real value improvment? One fact we all know, the well cared for 9020 is still at work. The frame is probably heavyer the tires are bigger. I believe the 9020 can out pull the Legacy. The 4x4 feature is what has me wondering.
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I called the dealer to ask pricing; I know that best pricing is done in person. I only have two dealers within reasonable distance (Central Long Island, NY). Eastern LI is still a farming community so I'm surprised there are no Simplicity dealers out there. I've been really hammering my wife about wanting (needing) this tractor. I let the price out of the bag 3 days ago, and tell everyone within her earshot that I'm getting one. No serious resistance, so I think I'm in the clear. That's another bad thing about box stores - people who don't know any better think I'm crazy to spend 10K on something they can get at Home Depot for 2K. I appreciate older machines - I have a 912H and a 1951 Farmall Cub. But you must admit that there are many reasons for wanting a new machine. I think a simple thing like the gauge cluster is wonderful. Foot pedal drive. The ease of hooking up attachments is almost ridiculous - there are many Cub owners who own multiple Cubs so they can keep implements on all the time. Hydraulics all around. 3-pt standarization - future purchases will probably include a posthole digger, tiller, perhaps a chipper and logsplitter - all 3-pt attachments. The 9020 (or any number of older machines) probably has the 3pt. But my 912h does not, and the cub does not. I think the XL will be perfect for my needs. I am not familiar with the 9020, but the XL weighs well over 1/2 ton. And as anyone with 4wd knows, a 4wd can go more than twice the places a 2wd can. I'm curious to see whether the XL can outpull the Cub. It is a lot of money, but I've never regretted buying the best. We've all, however, had lousy experiences when buying underpowered/lower quality stuff. -Not refering to old tractors, just box store items and machines with the "proprietary hitch" that is better than 3pt for whatever reasons the manufacturer claims. The best thing is for the mfg., since you must buy proprietary stuff.
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Leroy, the 2-speed transaxle was available up to last year on the 2WD drive only, it had a Peerless tranaxle. The 4WD models and all the new 2005 models now have a different hydro-transaxle (single speed) built by (I belive) Tuff-Torq. Chad's one up 2027 may have the Peerless tranaxle.
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