Simpleton7016 Posted April 24, 2006 Posted April 24, 2006 I bought some wheel weights last winter and they worked great....but one of them I can't get out. Any suggestions? I also am not sure what these were from originally, but they are VERY heavy and fill up most of the inside of the hub. If someone knows just by looking at them, I would be curious what they are from, but will take better pictures tonight of the one that is out. HELP, how do I get these out? I lubed them up with Kroil and tried to pound them out with a long 1/2 inch bolt and a hammer....but the angle just is not right and I can't get a real good "whack" at it anyway. Suggetions? Thanks in advance.
HubbardRA Posted April 24, 2006 Posted April 24, 2006 Take the two mounting bolts completely out, then drive it around over some very rough areas. It should come loose of its own from wheel flex when driving. Run the pressure fairly low in your tire.
Kent Posted April 24, 2006 Posted April 24, 2006 Unless those are the rare "solid center" wide wheels from a 3012/3112 vintage Simplicity, there should be four small openings between where the center hub is mounted to the outside rim. You should be able to put a large screwdriver or something through there from the back that you could hit with a hammer and drive them out... I'd put the whole rear of the tractor up on jackstands, so you can keep turning the wheels so you can get to the backside easier... Then, hammer a bit, turn the wheel and hammer a bit on the opposite side... IMO, it's just wedged in there and the rust has "tightened" the fit...
RayS Posted April 24, 2006 Posted April 24, 2006 Look like weights off of a John Deere to me. Can you get a crowbar between the weight and rim, that should do the trick.
johnmonkey Posted April 24, 2006 Posted April 24, 2006 Shoot a little penetrating oil in there (both sides) with the screw driver and they should pop out. JH
Simpleton7016 Posted May 3, 2006 Author Posted May 3, 2006 OK, I have tried most of the above but still have to try to jack 'er off the ground to really hammer on it. I keep squirting Kroil in there. I am thinking it is also wedged on the center hub since there is a cutout for it. I am thinking once I get this thing out, I am going to switch to winshield wiper fluid. Question for those "in the know". Is there any discernable difference between "turf tires" with 2-link chains versus "AG tires" with 2 link chains as far as how they work in snow. I imagine the AG's are at least a little better, but in 10+ years, I have never once had a problem with the turfs not working in the snow - as long as the chains were on. Also, here are some pictures of the "sister" to the wheel weight that is stuck in my wheel. Ray suggested they might be from a John Deere. Do these pictures help identify them any better? I ask because if I smash my fingers one more time, I am going to put these fellas in the classifieds! :)
john-holcomb Posted May 3, 2006 Posted May 3, 2006 Try welding a couple of 1/2 or 3/4 bolts to the face of the weight. Drill a heavy bar that will go over the bolts and extend beyond the rim. space the bar out with hardwood blocks put nut on the bolts and tighten them down. If that won't pop it then drive around. Also I use both ag and turf with chains and fine the ags are much better but really put he strain on the drive line pushing snow with the tractor weighted to 1000+
tracktor312 Posted May 3, 2006 Posted May 3, 2006 try a sledge hammer hit it dead center try to shock it loose clean and paint real nice so they dont rust next time
Blu Posted May 4, 2006 Posted May 4, 2006 That would be my suggestion too. Whack that turkey real good and hard right dead center a few times like you're trying to drive it right thru the wheel. That should do the trick as it will really vibrate the weight and free any rusted spots. If not you may want to give it a few hard licks kinda off to one side, it may be cocked in there a tad and that will free it up. Good Luck!!
johnmonkey Posted May 4, 2006 Posted May 4, 2006 What is the status? did you free up the sstuck weight? JH
Simpleton7016 Posted May 4, 2006 Author Posted May 4, 2006 no update yet...have not had a chance to get out in the garage. The only time I am free is after the kids go to bed and my wife will divorce if I go out there and start whaling on it with a sledge hammer. I should have time this weekend, but I continue to lube 'er up every morning before work....I am hoping to come home one day and just see it laying there nest to the tractor. :) Hey, are these, in fact, John Deere weights? They are heavy as Hades. My guess is that they are at least 50-70 pounds each. I will try to weigh them too and report back, but they will be for sale or trade soon if anyone is interested. Erik
JimS Posted May 4, 2006 Posted May 4, 2006 How about some dry ice on the weight to shrink it and, at the same time, some heat on the rim to expand it!
EricD Posted May 4, 2006 Posted May 4, 2006 If you weren't so far away I'd come over and remove the weight and tractor it's attached to for you ;-) Don't give up, they look like really nice weights. Please let us know what they weigh when you get a chance.
Simpleton7016 Posted May 4, 2006 Author Posted May 4, 2006 OK...I hammered on it with a sledge. It moved back and forth a little, so it is not the rust holding it in. It is just a real tight fit. Gosh it sure went in easy. I think the next step is the welder idea, but I don't have a welder. What I might try to do is feed a cable through it and see if I can't apply some even pressure on it. I jacked the whole tractor up and tried hammering from behind, butI just can't get a good angle or a real good whack on it. There are a number of bolts on the right rear axle. Can the entire wheel come off without being able to get to the lugs? Or will I be opening a big old can of worms? Also, I brought the bathroom scale out. It appears my estimates were off a little. These puppies weigh 80 pounds each!
HubbardRA Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 Erik, It would be easy to get the wheel off if the weight were not covering the end of the axle. There are two set screws underneath the weight that could be loostened and the hub would come off with the wheel attached. The bolts you are talking about are in the differential. Even if you take all of them out, the wheel will not come off. The right side hub is held on by a collar with two set screws, that are attached to the axle shaft that runs thru the entire transaxle and is welded to the left side hub. Other than cutting the axle, I don't know of any way to get the hub flange off.
Simpleton7016 Posted May 5, 2006 Author Posted May 5, 2006 Wow...looks like I might be screwed. I have been hammering away at it...back and forth, back and forth and from behind. But I don't want to destroy the axel. If you look at the pictures below, there is now a portion of previously unexposed axel showing. Is this a sign of perhaps too much hammering? This weekend, I am going to try to feed a cable through the back side. Assuming that this works, I was thinking I would hook the loose ends up to the hitch on my wifes minivan. What do you guys think? A slow take off or should I give it a fast pull to try to snap that puppy out of there? I would have my wife take some video footage, but in the event that I don't get my desired result, I don't know what the rules are about posting a cuss-word filled tirade! Especially if I end up yanking the entire axel out. I also took some close ups of the other wheel weight to show the "ridges" that I think are part of the problem with the wedging. Sheez!!!
Ronald Hribar Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 Is there a reason to remove weight ? If you decide to leave it on and use tractor , it will fall off. At least that is how it works for me.
tracktor312 Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 Be carefull with the cable trick if it breaks someone could get hurt or damage the van. If you damage the van it may result in "mad wife syndrom" and she wont want more tractors around.
johnmonkey Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 From the picture it looks like the weights were grinded. I wonder if you could have them machined so they fit better? that is after you get the buggers free. JH
john-holcomb Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 I'm not an expert but pulling or pounding just puts more pressure on the axle. You really need to put the pressure between the wheel and the weight. since you don't have a welder drill and tap the weight and screw in a couple of pieces of threaded rod and pull it like I suggested earlier. 1-1/2 times the bolt diameter depth of thread will give you the maximum holding power of the bolt so for a 1/2 inch bolt you need a 1 inch deep hole with 3/4 inch of thread. If worse comes to worse take off the tire and cut the wheel off. A new/used wheel is alot cheeper and easier that a tore up axle or axle tube. Just the thoughts of this old tractor guy, take it for what its worth. jw
Marty-MN Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 Did you try letting the air out of the tire so the rim would flex more. then drive a wedge in to distort the rim ?
comet66 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 If you can get a cable through it, I wouldn't pull it with the van, but you can creat a slide or snap hammer type puller. If I can explain this properly. Try to picture your cable threaded through the weight, bring the ends together outside. I don't know how long your cable is, but for sake of demenstration. With a loop of about three feet or so you should have maybe two one foot lengths outside. Holding them together in your hand push your hand up to the weight, then pull it away rapidly, when you hit the end of the line, it snaps. This is the general idea. Now add some length (maybe a length of chain)and some weight and it will snap with a lot of power and a sharp blow to the stuck item, with the energy directed from the back toward the outside. I have welded a large nut to the face of such an item, screwing in a long rod with a slide weight and made slide hammers along the same idea. I hope I have made this understandable.
Mick14 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 If your positive that there are no hidden bolts holding it,,,deflate the tire,and try the dry ice and heat idea,i think by this point i'd be cutting the rim off ,
JimS Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 You really need a way to apply a pushing or pulling force between the rim and the weight. Welding or tapping for some bolts and using a bar against the rim as suggested earlier sounds like a good way. Is it possible to drill and tap 3 or 4 holes in the rim from the back side and run some bolts in to push the weight out? The problem with the cable idea or pounding it out is that the 80 lbs. is going to absorb a lot of the energy you are trying to put into it.
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