portuncia Posted June 20, 2006 Posted June 20, 2006 [url="pop_download.asp?mode=Edit&dir=portuncia&file=22739"][img]images/disk.gif[/img][/url][url="pop_download.asp?mode=Edit&dir=portuncia&file=22740"][img]images/disk.gif[/img][/url] Can you tell me if this is vari speed or just 3 speed
portuncia Posted June 20, 2006 Author Posted June 20, 2006 Thanks for the help I am asking because a guy will sell me the whole tractor currently in pieces. I have to drive a ways to get it though. I am going to pick it up in the next month or so but it would be nice to know now what I am getting, B-110 3 speed or vari speed.
portuncia Posted June 21, 2006 Author Posted June 21, 2006 UCD said in a previous post that there were some B-110's with the Variable speeds.
UCD Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 MFG# 2029902 B-110 3spd. MFG# 2029903 B-110 3spd. MFG# 2029927 B-110 3spd variable drive. MFG# 2029928 B-110 3spd variable drive.
gregc Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 IMO this is more mistakes in documentation by Simplicity. I don't believe there is a B-110 variable or a 2210V. Both were standard three speeds.
UCD Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 They sure went to a lot of trouble on this mistake then as Both are listed in the belt and blade manual as well as the B series repair manual and the B110, B112, and HB112 Parts Manual The Allis Chalmers manuals were not copies of the simplicity manuals and in reality are better more precise much more informative than the simplicity manuals for the same tractor.
gregc Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 Maynard, take a close look at the B110, B112, and HB112 Parts Manual. This is the July 1971 manual and would have included all the B-110 parts.I think you will find that the only parts listed in the manual for a B-110 are for 3speed. The driven shaft of the BGB, the drive shaft in the transmission and the side plates for the BGB all have one listing for a B-110. Take a look at page 26 too and the heading at the top of the page. I think you'll find that this is the only variable speed for the B-110. I don't find any mistakes in the B110, B112, and HB112 Parts Manual. The mistakes are the listings done by Simplicity. I also find no mention of a B-110 variable speed in the B Series Service Manual. Look at the specs. on the B-110 there. Also take a look at the parts manual for the so called 2210V, MFG numbers 990496 and 990497. You won't find any variable speed parts there. They are three speeds. Look at the drive belt in the Belt and Blade manual. It's for a three speed.
CleanBee Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 There was no variable speed on the B-110's. All of the 110's were a short frame tractor; all of the variable speed versions were long frame tractors and supported the larger motors. This frame length difference was determined by the plate assemblies linking the BGB and the rear transmission housing. I believe Maynards confusion evolves because the transmissions were virtually the same except for particular parts specified in the Allis Chalmers parts catalog for models B-110, B-112, and HB-112 wheel tractors, (7-71). Much of the service between the two transmissions were identical and could be grouped together. Greg is also correct about documentation mistakes. My Dad has a 'mother load' of documentation on Allis lawn and Garden tractors, quite a bit I have never seem elsewhere. He worked at AC in West Allis his entire professional career and brought home everything about their tractors including inner office memos. Most of the memos revolved around documentation mistakes and/or design flaws. After viewing these your eyes would open wide to the huge amount of mistakes in Allis documentation.
CleanBee Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 Greg, were you born on 4-4-65 at West Allis Memorial? LOL I had to laugh. If you take apart an untouched/all original B-series tractor you will find a few minor documentation mistakes in their manuals.
gregc Posted June 21, 2006 Posted June 21, 2006 quote:Originally posted by CleanBee Greg, were you born on 4-4-65 at West Allis Memorial? LOL I had to laugh. If you take apart an untouched/all original B-series tractor you will find a few minor documentation mistakes in their manuals. :D:D Oh, I've found a few minor mistakes in the Allis stuff also. Just not in the above manuals...yet.
UCD Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Dan I am not confus4ed. All I am posting is documented material not from one manual but from three manuals. With different MFG#'s for all models Long story short the BGB's are different between a 3sp and a 3spd Variable.
CleanBee Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 My bad. Your not confused or wrong Maynard. There must have been variable speed 110's. Funny thing tho... that there aren't any!
portuncia Posted June 23, 2006 Author Posted June 23, 2006 Well I guess I just bought a 3 speed B-110 for $125. Gots to drive a bit to pick it up and its in parts but the parts include all the tractor parts, runing motor(suposedly) rebuilt BGB, included as well is front dozer blade and sickle bar mower. Figure the blade and mower are worth that to me, the hydraulics and extra set of wheels and tires will help, anyone interested in parts that pertain to the B-110 only, tranny, motor etc. My running tractor is a B-112. Getting ready to move up on the new property, 4.72 acres, the B-112 is getting itchy to do some work.
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