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Allis B-12 information needed

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wminmi
Afternoon all ~ Picked up a B-12 a few weekends ago, with the intentions of restoring it. Not a full on restore, but more of a "clean, paint & make work" restore. For what it's worth, the B will be replacing a brand new Craftsman LT2000. The craftsman is a nice mower, but i have a soft spot for older machinery lol. My questions are: 1. How do i find out what year this B-12 was built? 2. Where can i find a parts list for this tractor? 3. What Simplicity tractors are interchangeable with this one? 4. What color spray paint would closely match the original beige/cream color? 5. On the Simple site, it keeps asking me for a manufacturing number. What number is that? I've typed in B-12, the serial number and model number and can't get it to bring up anything! Anywhos, thanx to anybody that can help me with this.

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UCD
On the main page in right corner in the Search for Manuals at Simplicity Mfg.in the MFG NO: Box type this number 2025071 or use the simplicity number 990399 for the equivilent model 2012 to download the manuals.

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Ketchamized
wminmi, Welcome! This site is full of A LOT of information, and the users here are very knowledgeable. Membership to this forum is $10.00 per year- it opens up to so much more information. :) Your questions- 1)1966. http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/1966_cat/b-10_specs.htm http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/1966_cat/b-12.htm For the B-12 main page: http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/1966_cat/b-10_%26_b-12.htm The links for further information for the implements and etc are on the left side column. For Simpletractors main page: http://www.simpletractors.com 2)Parts list- This is the search engine for it: http://www.simplicitytechpubs.com/techpubsearch.php#start You'll have to search various numbers. Start with these numbers: 990400 990399 2025071 2025072 They're for the Simplicity sister tractors. Exactly the same tractor. Different color, different name, & different seat/hood. Everything else, the same. 3)Interchangeability- AC B-10, B-12, Big Ten. Simplicity sister tractors: Simplicity Landlord 2012. 4)Spray paint to match the color- on top of the pages of this site has a search bar. Type in 'paint colors'. There've been a lot of threads on this topic, and you'll have to choose what paint to use based on what you read. 5) See this page: http://www.simpletractors.com/X-reference/ac_s_pg1.htm The manufacturing number of your B-12 is either 2025071 or 2025072 The manufacturing number of sister Simplicity: 990399 or 990400 Good luck!

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wminmi
WOW Thanx for all the information!! And yes, i just snail mailed the $10 fee this morning. Hopefully it doesn't take too long to become a full member as i'm dyin to see what's in the "members only" section LOL I spose i should have done a newbie "hello" intriductory type of post....but i simply forgot. Been here a week or so now browsing around, just hit the "new thread" button and went to town. I'll do a "hwody" post here in a few after i re-wake up. My 4 year old & I fell asleep on the couch about an hour and a half ago, now i feel like i've got jet-lag B) Anywhos, thanx again for all the information! I'll be burning the midnight oil browsing through everything i can find :D

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goatfarmer
South Haven,Michigan,just a fer piece up the road from me!Welcome!! If the tractor has the original engine in it,you can use the date code on the engine to get close to a manufacturing date. Best way to assure a color match,is to find an unfaded piece on the tractor,and have it matched at a paint store.

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Ketchamized
Wmini, You're most welcome. Oh btw, forgot to mention that the rear transmission varies in some models a little in terms of having two different transmission systems- a high/low, and a Vari-Shift. With high/low, you have 6 different speeds- 1 high, 1 low, 2 high, 2 low, 3 high, 3 low. With a Vari-shift, you have 21 speeds, I believe. Also, the front gear box is different- the ones that goes on a high/low system has a shorter drive shaft. The shaft that goes on a Vari-Shift is longer. To tell the difference, the both front and rear pulleys (located on right side of tractor, under the right fender) on a Vari-Shift system- closes and opens like a snowmobile pulley. (Uses approx. 1" wide belt too) Whereas with a regular high/low system, the pulley is fixed, like a regular pulley. (Uses regular width belt) Which system do you have? I would suspect the high/low... Everything else is more or less interchangeable.

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wminmi
thanx for the warm welcomes! Hmm, i take it there are a few members from Michigan!! That's a nice change, as when i was into Bolens, most of the members i could find were out west or down south. Nothing wrong with either place, just nice to know there are some fellows close by :) As for my transmission, i don't have the vari-drive, just a regular ordinary everyday gearbox/drive. Speaking of which, did all the non vari-drives have a hi-lo? Reason i ask is i have the "sticker" saying hi-lo, but don't see how it could be as i have only 3 pulleys on the drive side. Well, 1 pulley on the rear end, 1 idler/tensioner pulley, and then 1 pulley up front on the transmission. Tinkered with the tractor tonight for a few.....got the mowing deck off, got the spindles freed up, then mounted the snowplow. Guess i'm in a hurry for winter LOL Here's a tech question for you guys: when taking the carburator apart, there's only 4 bolts holding the float bowl to the body correct? May seem like a stupid question, but i can't seem to get the darn thing apart to clean her out. If i pour gas down the carb she runs great, but can't get gas to flow through the carb. And yes, the tank & lines are clear.....that's the 1st thing i checked! Oh yeah, someone asked if i had the original engine, and that would be a yes! I do however have a 16hp briggs i thought of putting in there, but the 12 seems to run really well (no smoke/knocks) so i'll probably keep that in there until it dies.

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All the decal kits for these tractors came with a HI-LOW decal and the HI-LOW was an option so the decal ussually got put on it during a repaint sometime. As for the carb, Thomas is correct. You must remove the needle assembly from the bottom of the bowl and you'll see a slotted brass jet tube going up through the lower body into the upper body. BE CAREFULL, if there is a lot of build up in the threads it will be difficult to remove this without the perfect sized screw driver and the threads somewhat clean.

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Ketchamized
wminmi, I'm not sure if all non-vari drive tractors had high/low. It might have been an option at that time before the vari-shift came out. Others like UCD would know the answer to that question. With tractors that has the high/low system, there is a knob that is very close to the right rear fender. That knob is the high/low. Also, on the rear transmission, you'd see a lot of metal covering the rear pulley. It looks like a braking system of some kind.. If it's just a bare pulley there, then your tractor didn't come with hi/low. It's possible... Your B-12 is one of the earlier tractors of the B series. My tractor is a later model, made closer to 68, 69 while yours were in the mid 60's ('66). I'm sure others will chime in with more information. :)

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