DMedal Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 This is on a T16H, 7016. I just happened to see the crack today while doing something else. Is this as bad as I fear? I think I recall seeing here that axle tube replacement is a real pain. I have a 712 6spd coming I could steal a tube from if they will swap. Up til this the T16H was coming along great. I spent the rest of the day pulling the engine out to put in my old LL, it is time to get one of them running. -Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregc Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 You can only use the tube from another hydro. In fact the hydro's used two different tubes themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMedal Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 Arrgh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatRarick Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Greg, are you referring to a difference between the Vickers and Sundstrand hydro, or is there another difference? What would you need to know to get the correct axle tube? Casting number of the transaxle? Tractor model number? The reason I ask is that I've never replaced an axle tube with new. On sundstrands, I've replaced axle tubes with used sundtrand axle tubes. Likewise with Vickers. Never ran into any problems. Must have just been lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMedal Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 This would be an NLA part, right? Pat- With the transaxle out of the tractor, how long did it take you to R&R an axle tube? I'm really thinking of having it welded, the part that shows in the picture, not the part under the seal if the crack extends there. I am also thinking I could maybe have driven this for a few years without knowing it was cracked. -Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatRarick Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Part is still available. Somewhere in the $150 range. Last one I changed took about two and a half hours start to finish, but some time was spent answering the phone and talking to customers. Not a lot, but there were a few short interuptions. Never had one welded. Don't know why it wouldn't work, but cost would probably be the deciding factor. The crack usually starts by the keyway so there would be some lathe work and the recutting of the keyway. If it extends beyond the seal, more lathe work. One could probably pick up a used axle or even a parts tractor for less money. If enough machining is required, I would think it could come close, or even exceed the cost of even a new axle tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Hribar Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Could a set collar or a tube be machined to fit over tube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The axle tube on the hydro is easier to replace then on the three speed as there's less pieces. Not that hard to do, just have new seals and maybe new bearings on hand. New bearings if you can feel up and down play in the axle tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMedal Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 Where would a guy even begin to look for the outer shaft? I've never seen just the shaft for sale, it is the whole rear end, or the whole tractor. Which is fine, yet another tractor I guess is not a bad thing but I'm pretty much in the middle of nowhere and shipping is a real obstacle. -Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Got mynew axle tube for the 3314 from Sandy Lake Impl a year ago. Be a good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMedal Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 quote:Originally posted by MPH Got my new axle tube for the 3314 from Sandy Lake Impl a year ago. Be a good place to start. Oops, I was referring to used part. Failing that, yes, Sandy Lake would be next. -Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregc Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) Pat, actually it shows different part numbers for three axle tubes in tractors with hydros. The first group below I believe is for the tractors with the Vickers hydro. The next two groups have some of the same tractors listed in both groups, but are sometimes broken down by serial numbers and sometimes it just lists one tube for early models and one for later models of the same tractor without telling what the break point is. Also I don't know what the differences in the tubes are. Part #2166066 Axle Tube Assembly used on: · 1690006 - 7016H · 1690014 - 716H · 2029931 - HB-112 · 2029932 - HB-112 · 2029952 - HB-212 · 2029953 - HB-212 · 990499 - Sovereign 3112H · 990500 - Sovereign 3112H · 990572 - Sovereign 3212H · 990573 - Sovereign 3212H · 990757 - Landlord, 3410H · 990759 - Sovereign 3415H · 990871 - Sovereign 3416H · 990980 - Baron 3414H #1651517SM Axle Tube Assembly used on: · 1690184 - Baron, 13HP System 7013H · 1690202 - 7016H, 16HP-->Transmission Group · 1690211 - 716H, 16HP Hydro (S/N 1001-2200)-->Transmission Group · 1690211 - 716H, 16HP Hydro (S/N 2201-4169)-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690211 - 716H, 16HP Hydro (S/N 4301-5997)-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690214 - 712H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690342 - 7016H, 16HP Hydro-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690352 - 7012H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690366 - 7018H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690367 - 718H, 18HP Hydro (S/N 1001-1530)-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690367 - 718H, 18HP Hydro (S/N 1601-2201)-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690427 - 7016H, 16HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690429 - 7016H, 16HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690431 - 7018H, 18HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690433 - 7018H, 18HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group (7012, 7016, & 7018) · 1690477 - 7116, 16HP Gear (w/Turf Tires)-->Transmission Group · 1690478 - 7116H, 16HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690479 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690480 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690519 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690538 - 916H, 16HP KOH Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691476 - 616H, 16HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691382 - 7116, Hydro (ML)-->Transmission Group · 1691383 - 916H, 16HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691384 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691418 - 7114H, 14HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1691717 - 7117, Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691718 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691957 - GTH-L 17HP, Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691960 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690473 - 7112, 12HP w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690516 - 912H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690568 - 7112H, 12 HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690569 - 7116H, 16HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690570 - 7116H, 16HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690571 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690572 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690574 - 917H, 17HP Hydro (S/N 1-2701)-->Transmission Group · 1690575 - 916H, 16HP Hydro (S/N 1-2401)-->Transmission Group · 1690638 - 7119H, 19HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690640 - 7119H, 19HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690642 - 919H, 19HP Hydro (S/N 1-2001)-->Transmission Group · 1690723 - 7114, 14HP w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690727 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690747 - 7114, 14HP w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690751 - 7112, 12HP w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1691121 - 919H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691123 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691124 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691125 - 912H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group #1670864SM Axle Tube Assembly used on: · 1692796 - Sovereign, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692798 - Sovereign, 18HP Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692845 - 918H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692847 - 918H, 18HP Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692849 - 2818H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692852 - 2818H, 18HP Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692889 - Sovereign, 75th Anniversary, 18HP OHCHydro-->Transmission Group · 1692943 - Sovereign, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692945 - Sovereign, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692949 - 918H, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692951 - 918H, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692953 - 2818H, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1692955 - 2818H, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1693146 - Sovereign, 18HP Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1693148 - Sovereign, 75th Anniversary, 18HP OHC (CE)-->Transmission Group · 1693407 - Sovereign, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1693409 - Sovereign, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1693411 - 918H, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1693413 - 918H, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1693415 - 2818H, 18HP OHC Hydro w/PS-->Transmission Group · 1693417 - 2818H, 18HP OHC Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691382 - 7116, Hydro (ML)-->Transmission Group · 1691383 - 916H, 16HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691384 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691418 - 7114H, 14HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1691717 - 7117, Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691718 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691957 - GTH-L 17HP, Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691960 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692143 - Sovereign 18HP, Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692144 - 918H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692450 - Sovereign, 18HP-->Transmission Group · 1692452 - 918H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1692503 - 2818H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690473 - 7112, 12HP w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690516 - 912H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690568 - 7112H, 12 HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690569 - 7116H, 16HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690570 - 7116H, 16HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690571 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690572 - 7117H, 17HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690574 - 917H, 17HP Hydro (S/N 1-2701)-->Transmission Group · 1690575 - 916H, 16HP Hydro (S/N 1-2401)-->Transmission Group · 1690638 - 7119H, 19HP Hydro w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690640 - 7119H, 19HP Hydro w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690642 - 919H, 19HP Hydro (S/N 1-2001)-->Transmission Group · 1690723 - 7114, 14HP w/Turf Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690727 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1690747 - 7114, 14HP w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1690751 - 7112, 12HP w/Ag Tires-->Transmission Group · 1691121 - 919H, 18HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691123 - 917H, 17HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691124 - 914H, 14HP Hydro-->Transmission Group · 1691125 - 912H, 12HP Hydro-->Transmission Group Edited March 21, 2022 by PhanDad Added blank lines between and bolded axle tube part #s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMedal Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 ut-oh and not a T16H in that whole list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCD Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Not to worry Simplicity did not list parts for The Homelites Montgomery Wards nor the older Allis Chalmers tractors that had different part numbers. If there was a direct cross to a Simplicity tractor you used those part #'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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