Bottom plows Moldboard

[hotrodtractor]

Not sure if it has been discussed but wanted to see other thoughts. Which plow seems to be better the old OE simplicity (mounts into rear lift and has chain lift)or the general sleeve hitch mounted Briney, that requires the sleeve hitch. I have both and personally prefer the simplicity one? It just seemed to bite better and was much more free to follow contours (simplicity advertised this feature). Which do you like better: Simplicity or universal (Brinley)and why?

[bowhunt4life]

Can you post pictures of how both hitch up? I have a David Bradley plow and a simplicity hitch but need to fabricate a lift rod. I used it last weekend and it did ok but there was way to much play in how I had the plow hooked up the hitch on the simplicity. I would love to see how your's hook up to the tractors. Thanks, Chris

[hotrodtractor]

Here it is on my old machine.

yellow Allis pic stole form Mack ^

[bowhunt4life]

Is that a spacer on your simplicity where the plow mounts to the hitch? My problem is I have a pin and there is so much play between the bracket on the plow and the hitch on the simplicity.

[hotrodtractor]

The simplicity one does not use the same hitch as the universal (the sleeve hitch is very different). Not looking at it now but I thought the spacer was built into the hitch... but I would think a huge pile of washers could work.

[timflury]

Here's mine. I have the small sleeve hitch with a chain. I just installed my front counterweight. I have yet to install my Hydrolift kit.

One advantage the newer style hitch offers is the fact that you have available power down if needed. The plow is supposed to float through the soil. Also, a powered lift is pretty much required with the newer hitch because of the attachment point of the lift. There's a lot more weight hanging out there with the newer hitch. Another advantage of the newer style lift is of course the ease of switching implements without having to mess with a lift chain. I would say both would work equally well given the proper application.

[hotrodtractor]

Tim nice setup but that is what I would call a hybrid between the two plows. The sleeve hitch style do not use the lift tube or chain like that... all that weight and pressure in on the hitch which I why I did not like as much, that method in the pic fixs that :p I also like how the old one is much closer to machine seems more durable... but that's just an opinion. The newer machines have rear lift with cable so no down pressure anyway... but a rod could be used I would think. That plow looks almost identical to the Ohio Steel one I have. And yes I agree changing over with the newer sleeve hitch style is easier. Like I said I have both... but I will need to pick one to stick with long term. I lean a bit more on the OE simplicity

[timflury]

Kevin, The lift bar and chain and hitch adapter on mine were home made by the PO. Because of my attachment point on the plow, I can only turn the depth adjustment while the plow is in the ground.

[MPH]

The newer style sleeve hitch has a shorter mounting tube then the the old style. Before I got my old style hitch I used a , think it was a one inch nut bored out because the height was right, as a spacer when hooking up the plow. I still used a lift rod and chain to lift the plow. Down pressure on a plow should not be needed if it is set up right, it should suck itself down, seems down pressure would just lift the rear tires off the ground. I do wish the old oem Simplicity plows had a coulter that swiveled. Saw an AC that did at Mike Wells.

[rokon2813]

Down pressure should never be used on a bottom plow. If you hit something solid with the plow point, they are supposed to "float " over the object. With down pressure, when you hit something solid you are likely going to break things, and if you break the wrong part, one of those keeping your system rigid, you could quickly end up on your head between the plow and an upside down tractor. Ask any old timer that has pulled a trailer plow, it can happen quick.

[gwiseman]

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Originally posted by rokon2813
Down pressure should never be used on a bottom plow. If you hit something solid with the plow point, they are supposed to "float " over the object. With down pressure, when you hit something solid you are likely going to break things, and if you break the wrong part, one of those keeping your system rigid, you could quickly end up on your head between the plow and an upside down tractor. Ask any old timer that has pulled a trailer plow, it can happen quick.

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Dan is correct re: down pressure. The hitches utilizing chain links had a solid lift rod to the top link while those using a rod from top link to brinly hitch were mounted on tractors with either a cable lift or 2 section rod/link lift for top link.

[Chris727]

The Simplicity plow is good for short runs in areas with little trash on the soil. I learned this the hard way. I was in a plow day, plowing soybean stubble and on the Simplicity plow, even with the coulter removed, the trash would build up behind the tractor and cause it to catch trash under the drawbar and high center thus losing traction. This is caused by the plow beam being too short. You want the plow further away from the rear wheels to allow it to shed the trash. I had also brought along a brinly (beam and hitch are significantly longer) and after switching over and I was able to plow well with no interuptions.

[bowhunt4life]

Here is a shot of the David Bradley plow I have with a hitch YellowB10 gave me. You will notice the hitch can slide up and down the hitchpin. I am guessing I either need to fabricate a new hitch or put a spacer on the hitchpin in order to keep the plow from sliding up and down. Thoughts???? [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/55chevy/IMG00363.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/55chevy/IMG00361.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/55chevy/IMG00362.jpg[/IMG]

[Burntime]

How about just cutting a piece of water pipe to use as a spacer? Quick and easy... I have never used one, just got one but no hitch.

[rpickle]

That was what I was thinking too Burntime. Seems like it would work.

[Burntime]

Tim, can I maybe swipe your hitch for a day? I may just make one up or 3...

[bowhunt4life]

Mike, if you make up some I would be interested in buying one from you. In the meantime I have some spare waterpipe and will make a spacer. Thanks, Chris

[timflury]

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Originally posted by Burntime
Tim, can I maybe swipe your hitch for a day? I may just make one up or 3...

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I can do that Mike. I can bring it with me to the auction. I'll bring two different styles for you to pattern from.

[Burntime]

Sounds good. What is the consensus for the best style? That is what I would make...

[timflury]

Kevin and Mike. I highly recommend that you with the RBT tractors use the hitch adapter here: http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=68734&SearchTerms=sleeve,hitch I would not use this adapter unless you have a powered lift.

[BLT]

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Originally posted by Burntime
Tim, can I maybe swipe your hitch for a day? I may just make one up or 3...

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Mike sent you enough pics that you should be able to make them . BT

[Talntedmrgreen]

I whipped mine up from some scrap in an hour or so...made it a bit longer to clear my ball hitch, and give a little extra leverage for thei lift.
[img]http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/talntedmrgreen/IMAG0171.jpg[/img]
I run a chain to the coulter mount. That thing cut 8+" of field sod like butter for my new garden.
[img]http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/talntedmrgreen/IMAG0204.jpg[/img]

[hotrodtractor]

I have two of those hitch adapters.:D It's only for the brinley style plows not for simplicity style. When I use my brinley plow or any sleeve attachment I do use the sleeve hitch