PhanDad Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 My powering kit arrived. Looking over the installation before I start. I was aware the choke control was relocated to the dash plate, but the light switch is as well: So where does the snowblower spout rotator switch get located? The upper hole in the dash plate ("lights") is where it is usually located. The lower right corner has the cutout for the hourmeter. Has anyone installed a switch above the hourmeter? Or any other location? When I installed the electric clutch on the front of the Briggs in my GTHL, I installed the switch to the right of the light switch, but I figure if the light switch interferes with the PS install, then that switch will also. I guess if no one has installed another switch, I'll have to work it out after the PS install.
RayS Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 You will more than likely have to drill another hole in that new dash cover. The steer motor will interfer with anything in its normal spot. I will be installing a couple in a week or two myself.
OrangeMetalGuy Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 I notice that the hole for the steering wheel shaft is off-centered to the left too. Can you post pics of the entire setup? Really curious to see them.
hotrodtractor Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 wow a black dash plate... mine are all gray. I just drilled a hole for the spout rotator. I put it between the "N and the shaft hole. Tried to use the old choke hole and it's far to tight for even a mini light switch.. too much chance of short out.
PhanDad Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 Kevin, Did you look at installing the original choke cable to the left of the original hole (as far left as possible almost against the side of the dash tower)? Then the light switch would go in the dash plate "choke" hole and the spout rotator in the "lights" hole. I'd prefer the choke control to not be in the dash plate. To me, it will be a pain when you want to get to something under the dash plate. Is there enough slack in the choke cable and other wiring to be able to remove the dash plate up and off the steering shaft? Scott, I also noticed the offset steering; I imagine I won't notice the slight left offset. I don't notice it when using my A/C built Homelite T-12 with a slight right offset: I've also noticed from side pics of Sovereigns with PS that the steering wheel appears to be more vertical. I'm guessing I won't notice that either. And I am taking a bunch of pics of the PS install to post when the job is done.
hotrodtractor Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 yes the kit should have come with a new choke cable and it's plenty long enough. If you don't mind drilling another hole in the panel far to the left I think that would work well if you don't mind kicking it getting on and off;). It is kinda weird having the choke on the dash and it's harder to reach. For my 75th I just did as directions said as I do not have the rotator/blower on that one. What I liked about the rotator on the side is my right fingers can rest on the tower side and my thumb pushes rotator left and right. Don't forget the steering wheel will be in the way so you may want go to the outside as much as possible. I will take a picture tonight of my beast that has the setup. If I had to do it again I would do the same but maybe move rotator to left side so right hand can be free to use hydro lever...
hotrodtractor Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 one more note the pwr steering wheel sits much higher. I could measure but guess a few inches.
Burntime Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I was thinking of putting a dpdt switch on the end of the lift arm. That way it could be raised and rotated without moving your hand.
PhanDad Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 First dis-assembly issue: The rear lift cable and one of the hydraulic lines to the lift cylinder go through the opening in the manual steering assembly. No mention of either issue in the install instructions. I can understand the rear lift cable, but not the hydraulic line. I bet the line should have been ran along side the other line to the lift cylinder. Kevin, on your install, did you have the same issue? Hopefully the reconnected line won't leak, it doesn't have to be removed for the PS install. Here's a pic of where I think I'll put the choke cable: I think it'll fit, and hopefully I can avoid kicking it. The location is somewhat protected by the center PTO lever, so I think I'll be OK. Kevin, I like the rotator switch (and electric lift switch on my Homelite) on the left side of the dash. As you stated, I can use my right hand on the hydro lever and left hand for the switch. Now if I had a third hand I could have one on the steering wheel also. ;)
CarlH Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Bill, I was recently installing a lift cable on a 7117. I also was contemplating replacing the steering assembly. On that tractor the hydraulic line went through the steering assembly also. I punted on replacing the steering assembly. :(
hotrodtractor Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I do not recall if the hose went through or not it was last year and had a good 6 pack in me.:I Not sure why you guys fear disconnection of the line. 1/2 must be changed/undone with the pwr steering anyway. I can assure you that I have not had any leaks and have taken fittings appart a good half dozen times, I had some issues on my old machine that ended up being a bad pump. Bill I like the choke cable idea looks like a good spot. Cool thing about the 75th is you won't need to drill the running boards... simplicity put them there already. I also put nuts in top the tap tites that hold cylinder bracket for safe measure, but had the engine out. Also watch the tightness of zip ties don't pich lines.
RayS Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 My hose goes through the manual steer assembly as well. I have unhooked these lines in the past many times and they don`t leak after reinstalling them. My Deutz has been back together about two years now and no leaks.
Burntime Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 I put a new rear end in the gthl with hydro lift. Not a leak, not a drop. I would not be concerned as long as your carefull...
CarlH Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 For me the issue was not really whether I could get everything re-connected without leaks. When the hydraulics became involved, I would also want to drain, replace filter (which I didn't have on the shelf), etc and that required more time than was then available to me. Unfortunately, that is all still on the todo list. :(:(
mroman59 Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 quote:The rear lift cable and one of the hydraulic lines to the lift cylinder go through the opening in the manual steering assembly. No mention of either issue in the install instructions. I can understand the rear lift cable, but not the hydraulic line. I bet the line should have been ran along side the other line to the lift cylinder. My hydraulic line goes through my manual steering assembly also. I thought at first that this was wrong, while I was replacing this part, however I determined that it was the correct way after thinking what other way was possible. However, my rear lift cable for my 36" tiller on my 7117H does not go through the manual steering assembly, according to my instructions. If I am wrong please let me know. I was just about to hook up my tiller to do some yard work. thanks, Mike
Richard G Posted December 30, 2017 Posted December 30, 2017 this is my first try at this, my son is helping me with this website. anyway I am an 82 yr old man and have trouble with my shoulders, I would like to find power steering for my gthl 17 I love this old tractor and would like to continue using it. I have a new tractor, but I still love the old one. I would greatly appreciate any help!
720nut Posted December 30, 2017 Posted December 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Richard G said: this is my first try at this, my son is helping me with this website. anyway I am an 82 yr old man and have trouble with my shoulders, I would like to find power steering for my gthl 17 I love this old tractor and would like to continue using it. I have a new tractor, but I still love the old one. I would greatly appreciate any help! Richard may help to start a new thread as it will get more exposure On talking tractors. Just my thoughts Welcome to the club
ShaunE Posted December 31, 2017 Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) On 12/30/2017 at 7:49 AM, Richard G said: this is my first try at this, my son is helping me with this website. anyway I am an 82 yr old man and have trouble with my shoulders, I would like to find power steering for my gthl 17 I love this old tractor and would like to continue using it. I have a new tractor, but I still love the old one. I would greatly appreciate any help! Richard, There were two versions of this option. The following is information regarding the second or "Later" version. The kit has been discontinued for quite a few years. The kit sold new for $620. A year before it was completely discontinued, it was $800. Once it was discontinued, if you purchased all the components individually new from a dealer, it would have set you back about $1400. The Sunstar used the same major power steering components. The rotary valve, steering cylinder, steering wheel & choke cable can all be used from a Sunstar tractor that was equipped with PS. These components were also used on the Deere 300 & 400 series tractors. The rotary valves, I have seen with 4 & 5 ports & in different heights of steering shaft. The ones used on the Simplicity tractors had 5 ports. I believe the hydraulic lines & fittings are still available but the dash plate & some of the mounting brackets are not. I think RayS from the club here makes & sells the brackets & I've been told that the original dash plate can be modified but I don't remember what exactly needs to be done. My advise is to either look for a Sunstar that is being parted out & buy the PS components or look for a PS equipped Sovereign rolling chassis that has a blown Kohler Triad engine. You may have hunt pretty heavy, but the parts are out there. The first link is the PS installation & the second is the rotary valve service manual. http://bsintek.basco.com/BriggsDocumentDisplay/default.aspx?filename=jgEBGP_dqH5tG7EPl7mRgtLvBCd6 http://www.parker.com/literature/Hydraulic Pump & Motor/2753 HGF service.pdf Edited December 31, 2017 by ShaunE
Recommended Posts