Don't be jealous - update

[huffy]

In preparation for re-painting a tractor later this week, I recently installed a high-end professional paint booth in my shop.Set goals. Work hard. Save your money. And one day you too could have one just as nice. No, really, you could!:DOutside view:

Inside view:

I'm still not done sealing around the state of the art exhaust/air scrubber system (i.e., duct taping plastic around the box fan/heater filter):

At the very least maybe it'll minimize the orange dusting that got all over everything in my pole barn the last time I re-painted a tractor.

[fishnwiz]

Chris

Do you mind if I drop off a few tractors of my own for repaint?

[huffy]

Mark:

You're welcome to drop them off, and they'll get painted. But, you should be aware that this will be my first attempt painting with the spray gun. Heretofore, all my painting's been done with rattle cans. I'm not sure how well my first attempt with the spray gun will go, so prolly what I'd do is paint your tractors first to get in some practice before I paint mine. You don't mind a few runs and stuff, though, do you? 8D

[timflury]

Believe it, or not Chris.. I have the utmost in confidence in you for making the step up to using a spray gun.

Painting with rattle cans is difficult, you will find that spraying with a gun will be easier, at least I did.

The most important thing is cleaning the gun when you are finished.

Buy the measuring cups and strainer funnels, You'll be amazed at how much easier it is to mix your paint with the little measuring buckets.

Have fun most of all.dOddOd

Before you know it, you'll be painting cars.

[GLPointon]

The gun is MUCH faster so long as you want EVERYTHING the same color :DNice booth Chris, A portable type like that must be pricey..?

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Mark:You're welcome to drop them off, and they'll get painted. But, you should be aware that this will be my first attempt painting with the spray gun. Heretofore, all my painting's been done with rattle cans. I'm not sure how well my first attempt with the spray gun will go, so prolly what I'd do is paint your tractors first to get in some practice before I paint mine. You don't mind a few runs and stuff, though, do you? 8D

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[huffy]

quote:Originally posted by timflury

Believe it, or not Chris.. I have the utmost in confidence in you for making the step up to using a spray gun.

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id="quote">I'm glad you're confident, because I'm still pretty nervous. I've wanted to switch to spraying for a long time, but frankly I've held off because I find switching to spraying so confusing. There's so many different types of primers, paints, guns, etc, that it's a bit daunting. I go to the local auto paint supply place, look around for 2 seconds, feel utterly overwhelmed and leave.For instance, I've been reading Ray's threads about epoxy primer. I did a little research on the internet, which said that it's really good for wet conditions. Since I use my tractors to blow snow, I figure that's what I need. So I went to Thirlby (the auto paint place), and asked the kid for some. He walks me over to one of their 2,000 shelves, and proceeds to show me about 30 different brands. When I asked him to explain the difference, he rattled off some technical jibberish that I could not comprehend. I asked him to dumb it down a notch, and he eventually helped me settle on one. Then I asked him if it could be tinted, since I've seen Ray post pics of stuff he's primed and it's tinted orange. The kid says that none of the epoxy primers they carry can't be tinted; they only come in white, gray, and black. I asked why the white couldn't be tinted orange, and again he broke into technical jargon that just sounded like nonsense to me. I finally just gave up and settled on gray.Then I told him that I'm ordering the paint from Simplicity, but would need a hardener. He tells me that he can't pick the right type of hardener for me until he sees the paint. So I just gave up on that.Next I told him that I need a respirator rated for using epoxy primers and paint hardeners, cause I've read some pretty nasty stuff about them. He points me to a section of wall with about 30 different kinds. They've all got an array of accolades and acronyms on the packages saying stuff like "NIOSH approved: OV/P95" or "approved by NIOSH under the new 42 CFR 84 respirator certification regulations" or "approved to the P100 filter class." I tell the guy that I don't know what any of this crap means, and ask why they can't just say something simple on the package like "safe to use with hardeners and epoxies." Dude laughs at me (again), and finally picks one for me. Then, last night, after Ray tells me that I can just use TSC brand hardener, I go pick some up. It says to use 1 can per gallon of paint. So now I've got to sit down and do the math to figure out how much of the can I use when I mix up my paint. It's 1/2 pint, so I have to think way way back to kindergarten and try to remember how many pints are in a quart, and how many quarts are in a gallon. After my brain started smoking a bit, and thanking God that I was wearing flip-flops so that I didn't have to take off my shoes and socks in the middle of the store to use my toes to do the math, I finally figured out that means that I use a 1:16 ratio. I think that means that I use 1 tablespoon per cup of paint, but I'm not sure so I gotta remember to look that up on Google today. And that's just the tip of the iceberg . . . .

[huffy]

Nice booth Chris, A portable type like that must be pricey..?

I think the 20x20" heater filter cost me like $4 at Menards.

The tarps and plastic I had laying around.

The zip ties that I used to hang the tarps from the rafters I stole from work.

The box fan I stole from my sister's garage. I think her husband uses it when he's out there "working" on stuff, though he's inept and I always have to come over and fix it for her after he's broken it worse. Maybe if it's hot in the garage he won't try to "fix" stuff, and then it'll be easier for me to actually fix it. 8D

[timflury]

The mixing bucket you will get from the paint shop will, or at least should have all the mixing ratios on it.

Basically, "Fill paint to this line, then fill hardener to this line."

The guy at the paint shop should show you how to use the bucket. It takes all the math work out of the equation.

.....and then there's the "rule of thumb", to use the term loosely,

Mix your paint somewhere between, "thicker than water, and thinner than milk."

[huffy]

quote:Originally posted by timflury

The mixing bucket you will get from the paint shop will, or at least should have all the mixing ratios on it.Basically, "Fill paint to this line, then fill hardener to this line."

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id="quote">Unfortunately, I forgot to get one of the mixy cup thingies while at the auto paint store. I picked one up at Lowes later, but all it has on the side are ounce and cup measurements. Nothing as stupid simple as what you're talking about. I guess I'll have to go back to the auto paint store and let the kid laugh at me again.

[tadams]

Make sure you have a good respiratory, especially if your using hardener.

Good Luck Tom

[timflury]

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/body/mopp_0612_how_to_paint_a_car/photo_25.html

[RayS]

I used Benjamin Moore Polyamide Epoxy Metal Primer (DM33/DM34). The first gallon I bought in 2009 cost a $100 for the two part system or whatever you call it. Last year when I did the 917H I went back to buy another gallon. They told me it had been discontinued, but they still had a kit available. It was reduced to $45 because they wanted to get rid of it.

They are the ones that told me to reduce the AGCO paint with xylene and to also to use it to reduce the primer with it. This red primer that I used has to be reduced or the paint gun that I have will not spray it properly. I still have a little left and not sure what I will be using after that. More than likely Eastwood.

The epoxy primer is amazing. It dries extremely hard. I hit some of it with a hammer and it doesn`t budge usually.

The guy I have do my sandblasting used it on his truck and never got around to painting over the epoxy. four or five years later the epoxy primer still has no rust on it.

The stuff I use needs to be painted over within 24 hours or it needs scuffed up according to the instructions.

I just used cheap 1 gallon and quart paint mixing containers from Walmart. Used the wifes shot glass type measuring thingy for the hardener. Available at Walmart as well. She is still wondering where that went to:D.

Follow the hardner instructions. It needs 30 or 45 minutes to do it`s thing to the paint before you spray.

[dhoadley]

quote: ...It's 1/2 pint, so I have to think way way back to kindergarten and try to remember how many pints are in a quart, and how many quarts are in a gallon. After my brain started smoking a bit, and thanking God that I was wearing flip-flops so that I didn't have to take off my shoes and socks in the middle of the store to use my toes to do the math, I finally figured out that means that I use a 1:16 ratio. I think that means that I use 1 tablespoon per cup of paint, but I'm not sure so I gotta remember to look that up on Google today.

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If memory serves, 3 tablespoons to an ounce and 8 ounces to a cup. My math comes up with a 1:24 ratio. I think you'll need 2 tablespoons for your 1:16.^ Good luck!

[huffy]

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The stuff I use needs to be painted over within 24 hours or it needs scuffed up according to the instructions.

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id="quote">Yeah, this might be a problem for me. The spec sheet for the stuff that I bought says you have to put your paint on within 72 hours. If you don't, then you've got to scuff the 1st coat of primer and put on a second coat and then paint. I'd rather not have to do that, but just this morning I got an e-mail from Jack's stating that they had to order my paint. They don't expect to receive it until the 11th at the earliest.My stuff's at the sandblaster right now. I think it'll probably be ready for me to pick up today or tomorrow. I guess I'll only have to options: (1) go ahead and prime, then scuff and reprime when the paint gets here, or (2) wait to prime until the paint gets here and oil the parts in the interim to keep rust from forming. But, then I'd have to clean all the oil off. So, I guess I'll just go ahead and prime and then scuff and re-prime later.

[huffy]

quote:Originally posted by dhoadley

If memory serves, 3 tablespoons to an ounce and 8 ounces to a cup. My math comes up with a 1:24 ratio. I think you'll need 2 tablespoons for your 1:16.^ Good luck!

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id="quote">id="quote">According to Google, there's 16 tablespoons in a cup. So 1 tablespoon of hardener per 1 cup of paint should give me the 1:16 ratio. I think, but math is definitely not my strong point.

[GrincheyOne]

Today the humidity went over 88%, that is a tad over the recommended 85%, then factoring in a very still air. Not good for drying!

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[dhoadley]

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id="quote">Been a long time since conversions in math class. Sorry!:I

[OkieGT]

With the right paint, catalyst, and reducer over spray is minimal. I don't even use plastic anymore, wet the floor and spray

[goatfarmer]

I have a similar booth in my garage, it rolls up to the ceiling when not in use.

Be prepared though, with exhaust fans, and everything supposedly sealed up, you will still get a LOT of overspray.

[huffy]

This morning I got an e-mail from Jack's saying that my paint has shipped. And, I just got a call from the sandblaster saying my parts are ready to be picked up.

So, with any luck, either tonight or tomorrow I'll finally get a chance to test out my hodgepodge spray booth.

[huffy]

I primed. It was awesome.

I looked at the heater filter after I was done. I tell you what, that jerry rigged air scrubber did it's job.

Pics to come.

[RayS]

all right post the pictures:D. I want to get a couple of quarts of the Deep Orange for the Simplicity but may be getting a Massey soon:D.

[huffy]

Ray:

My sincerest apologies. But, the weather has been so nice that I've been spending pretty much all of my spare time on the boat or playing golf. Hence, this project's still in pieces in my garage.

The only pics I have so far are the ones I posted in the painting thread in the talking tractors forum. Maybe if the weather's not so nice this weekend I'll get back on track with this project. But, if it's sunny, it'll have to wait, cause I'm gonna be on the water.

[Talntedmrgreen]

Chris...no rush. He needs the Massey. He can wait to paint }

[huffy]

I have to admit that there's another reason I've been holding off. I still need to paint the tunnel (foot rest part), and a few other things, that are a charcoal gray color rather than orange. I used my dad's old suction feed sprayer on the parts I already painted. It did a real nice job, but I lost a lot of paint to overspray. So, I ordered 2 new hvlp sprayers from the local auto paint place (one with a 1.4mm tip for paint, and one with a 1.88mm tip for primer). So, I kinda want to wait until my new toys get here before I finish this up. I love new toys.