SmilinSam Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Right now on Ebay someone has a Haban sickle mower made for a Case garden tractor. The cutter bar and drive mechanism are exactly the same as the ones made for the AC built Homelites 71-74. The only thing different I see is the hitch setup. Does anyone have a picture to post of the sickle mowers made for the 300 and 400 series Allis Chalmers? Or does anyone know if the ones on the 300/400's used the same cutter bar and drive mechanism as this case and the Homelites? By the way, Kent- Did you get all the Homelite material I sent for the web site?? I think I sent a copy of the sickle mower manual as well. Think all that will scan out Ok?? Sam[A href='http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1319360322']http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1319360322[/a] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 The Simplicity/AC sicklebar powerhead attaches to the front axle with pins just like the mower deck. The rear of the power head hangs by a chain from a bracket bolted to the right-hand side of the tractor frame. The power is provided by a belt off of the center PTO. On the newer sickle bar models the sickle bar lift is controlled by a cable running through a pulley and bolt on bracket on the right hand side of the tractor. Older models used a handle. For $350, I would recommend "not" purchasing the Case sicklebar and try to adapt. Keep looking for a Simplicity/AC sicklebar with rockguards, not two sets of sickle sections (knives), one moving and one stationary. I am told sicklebars with two sets of sickle sections do not work well as they tend to plug. They sell in the neighborhood of $300 in complete and good condition. Also FYI, the sickle sections and rockguards from Simplicity/AC are no longer available. But you can convert the sicklebar to use standard farm implement readily available sickle sections and rockguards. For more information, see the "Do It Yourself" section. Bill Crusan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilinSam Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Bill, I have been buying and selling the Simplicity built sickle mowers for a few years now. I currently have one old one here for parts(rock gaurds mainly) and I have a newer hard to find Planetary gear type for the 7000/7100 series tractors in great shape with little wear. I have been using sickle sections from Jari walk behinds for replacements, thought the rock gaurds will not work because they are set at the wrong pitch. I was just cruising for information on the 300/400 series Allis Chalmers using the pictures of the Case as an example. I have absolutely no interest in the Case mower. That wouldn't be a conversion project it would be a nightmare! Ha! I too am skeptical as to the cutting quality of the statioanry section type mowers. I also have looked at the sickle conversion in the do it yourself section and wouldn't mind trying it - if I'd ever run across a mower with worn out sections and gaurds. So far all I have been finding is good pristine examples, save for the parts unit I have where the owner left the drive end down in the mud in the corner of his shed to rot away. I have been getting $400-$500 for the older Simplicity Mowers, complete and good. Probably wouldn't be compelled to sell the newer planetary type for less than half again more than that. Thanks, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeES Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Sam, I think what you are getting at is that the 300/400 and Homelites must of had the sickle driven from the front of the engine as were their mower decks - correct? (Instead of the center PTO) I have never seen one but it would be interesting to see how they did it. Mike S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilinSam Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Thats it, I want to see if the AC 300/400 series sickle mower ran off the front PTO and out the side of the center of the tractor like on the Homelites. Theres a picture on page 11 of the Homelite sicklemower manual that shows the mower laid out as it would hang under the tractor. If I get my scanner up again here in the next day I will try and post a picture , as a picture is worth 1000 words- especially when I'm the one trying to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilinSam Posted January 9, 2002 Author Share Posted January 9, 2002 The Homelite hangers on the axle are spaced 7/8" wider than the Simplicity made stuff. The Homelite mower pins up at the front and has a hanger in the back at the rear hitch that suports the rear. There is a long jackshaft the has a pulley under the front PTO pulley on the tractor and there is another pulley on the other end mid tractor that runs two short drive belts to the cutter bar. There is a hand lift lever on the mower and a assisit spring setup. Sorry but I cant get pics from my end as my scanner is apparrently effectively deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 I've scanned and uploaded two exploded parts diagrams of the Homelite sicklebar. They are about 200kb each, so I'm linking them in rather than including them on the page... Be patient, once you click the link[A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/transfer/images/homelite_sb1.jpg']http://www.simpletractors.com/transfer/images/homelite_sb1.jpg[/a] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Here's the second one, for the actual sicklebar mower, knives, etc.[A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/transfer/images/homelite_sb2.jpg']http://www.simpletractors.com/transfer/images/homelite_sb2.jpg[/a] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATobin Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 MPH, Your Haban 402E is for the wide frame Cub Cadet. I wish you were not so far away, I would love to pick it up from you or trade my partial Simplicity sickle towards it. It would go great with my IH 1450. I already have an A/C one on my B-210 and an extra Simplicity one missing the knives. (My Simp and A/C are identical) I have a copy of a manual for a 402E if you need it. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Thanks Rob, not sure why but its good to know what it was made for. I bot a nice sickle mower with my Landlord score last Oct so maybe if I make a trip out I'll load it up. Sam, seems to me that's about how much too wide the hangers on 402E were to hang under my B-112. The jack shaft did come out under the front PTO close to lining up. Thanks guys,,MPH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Sam, are the front axle mounting, That the mower deck hangs from, the same distance apart on a Homelite as the B series tractors??That Haban 402E I have looks so close to hanging under a AC, but, no go, least not on mine, had it parked under for several days last spring trying to envision how it could work. No clue what it was made for. It has a longer shaft then the one shown for the case. Thought Case drove every thing with hydro power???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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