Need the experts on this one

[JBucketman]

Guys, I am designing the wt box and the 3 point for the Landlord and Soverien and need to know if the pointed out two holes are a common feature on some of or all years and models. The tractor shown is my 3212H which will sport the first prototypes. Can't wait to get these built. The 3 point has got me most excited. Thanks for all your help in advance. Man... I love owning my Simplicity. Sincerely, John Johnny Products http://www.johnnyproducts.com/images/Temp/Simplicity%20Feature.jpg

[Kent]

John, Your safest bet is to make the top mounts as "hooks" that go over tha large shaft on each side of the rear lift, just inside the uprights. That's how the factory vacs hooked on. Unless I'm mistaken, the actual uprights vary somewhat so I wouldn't trust the bolt holes to be the same. However, the shaft size and location are the same. Have you considered making it so it functions as a real counterweight and mounts into the rear lift? Ground clearance when the front attachment is full up (rear would be full down) could be an issue, but that would be really neat -- it would actually make it easier to lift the bucket... My thoughts, though I'm certainly no expert.... Kent PS -- glad you enjoy your Simplcity. Did you get it early enough to mow with it? If so, you'll definitely be hooked.... nothing mows like a Simplicity.

[Kent]

John, Just checked my '77 7010-6, '78 7012H, and '96 Sovereign. All have those holes. If you want to provide point to point measurements, I'll compare those for you. Don't know what you plan on using the holes for, but Kent has a valid point. FYI - The hole on the LEFT side is utilized when using a tiller or revitalizer.

[Kent]

I know that there is different "curvature" of these uprights above the cross-shaft. The old B-10/Landlord 101 days and the later B-series like John's 3212 are different. Unless I'm mistaken, the "seat pan" on the older ones is shorter, with a different method of support underneath, and the uprights were straighter (less curved)... I know my tractors are different, I just can't remember which one is which...

[JBucketman]

Dutch, I agree, Kent has a good point on using a hook over the pivot shaft. It is more likely that the geometry would be the same at the pivot shaft compared to the holes I refered to. Thanks Kent, I just redesigned the wt box hitch that will allow it to act as a lift assist as well. Guys, I needed the upper mount info to attach the upper part of the sub carrage for the 3 point. Keep the good thoughts coming. Thanks, John

[MPH]

From what I've seen I think the hitch uprights changed when the seatpans went to the style of the 110's and up. My landlord and 725 both have straight irons, and small fenders. When I pieced my 112 together I had to weld ears on the top of the hitch irons I had inorder to mount the seat. MPH

[Woodydel]

John, I can't wait to make up the three point on my Model 700. I'll be sending you photos of the Cub Cadet method of three point hookups. By the way the upper lift gets in the way of the top link mount. Woody

[dlcentral]

Those rear bars in the back are VERY different from trans,to trans,Vickers,to Sunstrand,to shuttle,to 3 spd. None are interchangeable,Not only are the holes different the curve of the top of the bars is different also,,sorry

[Woodydel]

Don't worry John it won't matter that there are some differences in the bars. Woody