HB-210 is done, for now

[StinKy 0]

Hey Kent, is the hydro unit heavier than the gear trans?? If it is any weight gain is certainly beneficial. Your sucess makes me want to get moving on my 3210-V resto. I'm 1/2 way done but have gotten sidetracked playing around with my Landlord skidding logs and pushing snow.....I'm addicted to that doggone tractor! Dick

[StinKy 0]

Kent, Which took longer, the excellent job you did on the conversion, or creating the comprehensive "step-by-step"? Your work is amazing using "just hand tools".

[PatRarick 1]

That is definately a project to be proud of. Being raised with a torch in one hand and a welder in the other, I am in awe of the determination and ability to accomplish such a project, without those tools. Congratulations on an excellent job!! Try placing a value on that tractor, based on the man-hours involved in the conversion! I know the value, based on the experience gained, the fun involved, and the satisfaction of a job well done, is priceless. I do have one question. How will the mower lift fit into this? This picture shows where you decided on the final location for the hydro control lever. It also shows the mark of where, apparently, the mower lift rubbed on the frame. It looks as if the mower lift will cause some problems. Maybe I just haven't got this straight in my mind yet. Pat[A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/images/var_hydro/lever_loc1.jpg']http://www.simpletractors.com/images/var_hydro/lever_loc1.jpg[/a]

[powermax_paul 1]

Kent, I just took a look at the pictures in the DIY section.... all I can say is WOW !! Great job.

[Roy 0]

Kent, Fantastic job on both the tractor and the documentation. What software do you use to put text into the pictures? Roy

[SmilinSam 4,242]

You got me all excited now! I got to get at it and get mine done. The engine is going in today and I hope to have some of the wiring done. My only BIG challenge now is to route all the hydraulic lines that go with the Hydro lift off the 917 I used with the tranny. Since Kents procedures were similar to mine and his write up was absolutely Great, I will send pictures and note the minor differences in how I went about it using the torch and welder. Kent, This has been a fun project indeed, and I cant wait to get mine to the point where yours is now. Nice Job!!

[Kent 436]

Chad, these specific steps won't work on all models, but the same basic modifications or challenges exist, especially if you add in the issue of the parking brake linkage. The solutions would likely be different, but the POSSIBLE problem areas to contend with would be the same, since this addresses all linkage, rear lift, hydro lift, etc. Some areas, like my ability to use the B-210s existing parking brake, might not be an issue, or if so, a minor issue -- but it must be addressed. Marion, it's been a long time since I saw "Mary Poppins" -- I take it that you think I did OK for a beginner... Les, now that Sam and I will have shown how easy it is, what are you waiting for? One thing I noticed immediately is how much quieter this setup is than the old variable speed -- even with the hydro whine under load, it has much less belt and pulley noise, rattling, etc. Now it makes me want to go to a quieter muffler too...

[Kent 436]

Pat. I think there will be plenty of clearance, for two reasons. That's one of the "undocumented" circles I went in: (1) The rub marks on the frame came from the use of a short curved metal piece bolted in the top lift hole, and a longer chain. Because of it being in the top lift arm hole, rather than the bottom, and the metal piece on the lift arm being shorter than original, in the full up position the chain would rub the frame. (2) The lift shaft was further into the frame than it currently is. It used to stick out of the other side of the tractor close to 1/2". I lined it up so the hydraulic lift cylinder would be still be working in a straight line, yet moved the lift shaft probably 3/8" further out on the right side. Note that this was one of the two toughest parts of the whole conversion -- getting the lift shaft out of my B-210 frame so I could install it in the B-110 frame that I'm using. Lots of beating with a 4-lb sledge. The other hard part, believe it or not, was removing the steering wheel -- I ended up sawing the steering shaft off and driving the stub piece of shaft out using my vice and the 4 lb sledge... This is after I destroyed the original plastic covering of the steering hub trying to use a puller, heat, etc. With a correct, longer piece connected to the bottom hole, I don't anticipate problems with the deck. If there is any clearance challenge, it should be with front implements, not the deck. And, I think there's plenty of clearance for that, as shown in the picture below. --------------------------------------------- Sam, Thanks again for all your help. Without you to bounce ideas off of, and to consult with when facing temporary roadblocks, I certainly wouldn't be done now -- I'd probably still be going around in circles.... Kent http://www.simpletractors.com/images/var_hydro/slot_bottom.jpg

[AGCO918 0]

KENT: A JOB WELL DONE INDEED. GLAD TO SEE YOU GOT YOUR SON INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT. I AM A PERFECTIONIST AND I GIVE YOU A A+++ ONCE AGAIN. I like to see modifications done to these old tractors. I like to stay with original parts on tractors or the equipment that goes to them but , this is another reason i like these Allis Chalmers/Simplicity tractors because you can add parts from a newer onto a older model and make it work. I dont know to much about the interchanging of other makes because i breath orange as most of you know but that is a plus for us orange guys being able to interchange new to older on parts. I AM sure this doesnt work on all models but KENT you done one alwsome job on this. SAM , CANT WAIT TO SEE YOUR TRACTOR AS WELL. agco918 chad e shafer

[Kent 436]

Dick, I think the hydro weighs about the same as the variable speed but I'm not sure. The AC 700 series specs show that a tractor with hydro weighs more than the 6-speed but slightly less than the shuttle.... I don't know how that would compare to the variable speed. Dutch, I worked on the pics a couple of nights, and spent about 3 hours assembling and writing it... it was time consuming trying to decide what pictures showed what, and which ones to include.... Roy, I use a graphics package called Paint Shop Pro to do all my "picture work" and put the text on the pictures. It's relatively inexpensive -- I think I paid about $70 for it -- especially compared to the "industrial-strength" PhotoShop program the artists use at work... Paint Shop Pro has a downloadable evaluation package -- they used to have a scaled down shareware version, but I'm not sure if they still do.

[AGCO918 0]

SUPERCADCHAFRADGILISTICEXPEEALID0UGHUS!!!!!!!

[Kent 436]

I just posted pictures and a story to the DIY section. I put the right wheels back on, adjusted the linkage, and gave her a whirl today... [A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/do_it/variable_to_hydro.htm'][img src='http://www.simpletractors.com/images/var_hydro/left_rear_small.jpg'][/a]