Allis HB-116 with Hydro lift now completed!

[SmilinSam 4,245]

Fired it up this evening and she runs like a champ. After sitting for several years behind a local Simplicity dealer in a derelect 7016 S the 1992 16HP Briggs w/electronic ignition started right up, no problem , no smoke, & no lack for power. The Hydraulic lift setup works fine and thanks to Sandy Lake Implements timely shipping of new hoses we have no leaks either. Normally I don care a bit to use these older tractors to work with but I think this "UPDATED" model will be the exception. In another week I will supply Kent with the full write up on the project to add to the Do it Yourself section alongside his masterpiece of ingenuity if he wants to. I think he must be the better engineer, as I can't imagine doing this without the use of my welders and torch as he did. This was fun and a bit of a challenge, especially dealing with the addition of the hydraulic lift. I have 21 photos now on my ClubPhoto album. Most have small bits of writing on them. Kent, It was indeed a pleasure exchanging ideas with you, it made the project otherwise more enjoyable. SmilinSam[A href='http://members6.clubphoto.com/ericson516076/689905/guest.phtml'][img src='http://a6.cpimg.com/image/DC/CD/8593116-5155-022E01A8-.jpg'][/a]

[MikeES 469]

Great creation Sam. You must be very proud. Mike S.

[BigSix 0]

Sam: WOW! Let me be the first to congratulate you--what a beautiful job you did...and I really like the hyd. lift update! The class and attention to detail your restoration reflects does, of course, set an impossibly high "bar" for the rest of us.... Before I wasn't sure I wanted to do it...now I KNOW I don't! Great job! Peter

[beamer 0]

Sam, Great project. What size tires do you have on that beast and are they on stock rims? Beamer

[Roy 0]

Pat, I vote for an Allis Chalmers. I like yellow better than orange, Sam, Looks like a terrific job. You and Kent could start your own tractor manufacturing company. Roy

[Kent 436]

My project was MUCH, MUCH simpler since I used the original hydraulic lift off the B-210. It looks like the hydraulic lift required Sam to make more mods than the Sundstrand tranny did. I really like the location of his hydraulic lift controls, though. One of my complaints with the original B-series controls is that I have to lean forward to move the control full forward. This can get to be a pain, especially when using rear implements that you're trying to watch at the same time.... Sam, the thanks are mutual -- without being able to consult you, my project would have been a lot more troublesome. I guess two heads are better than one.... I'm envious -- yours looks much better!

[SmilinSam 4,245]

Kent, Of course you realize I use a cheap low res digital camera ,as it hides all the mistakes ha ha! Beamer, The rears are Carlisle 23x10.50x12 ag treads on wide rims that were pirated off a AC 212 or 312, can't remember. There's parts from probably a dozen different tractors in this machine. The B-110 donor was in about as bad if not worse shape than the 3012 Simplicity pictured that I robbed the frame out of. No grill, no seat, dash was drilled full of holes etc. Interesting to note that most of the main donor machines in this project came from the junk piles and back rows of AC & Simplicity dealers in the area. Roy, Once is quite enough, Thanks

[PatRarick 1]

Kent and Sam, you have inspired me! I purchased a pile of "junk" at an auction sale a couple of years back. The auction was an estate of a man who collected and rebuilt AC's. I have several frames, dashes, rear fenders and seat pans, front axles, hoods, grill frames, etc, etc, from B-10's and B 110's. No grills or rear ends,though. Just bought a hydro rear end. Will now attempt to build a tractor. Don't know what it will be yet, Simplicity? AC? HB-16? Landlord 161H? Any suggestions? Pat

[BigSix 0]

Sam: Thanks for the info.... The link is excellent as well. I had read that and forgotten about it. So should I assume the trans., rear, frame and attachment points for the 60's Landlords are not identical to my 700, in that you're indicating the hyd. lift cylinder would not fit inside the frame of the 700? Never having seen a Landlord, I wasn't sure if they just put wider wheels/tires on, and a bigger engine. Where did you get those nifty batt. cables? Does it actually fit either an automotive "post" type connection as well as the flat, holed tab on the garden batt. terminals? Lastly, on the Vocational teaching thing...are you sure they require a certificate of some sort? The reason I ask is I had a welding teacher at our local BOCES Adult Ed. that was pretty rough around the edges, such that I can't imagine him sitting down to fill out even the application for a cert. He was a good (part time) teacher, but seemed to have very little "administrative attention," and again, I'd be very suprised if he was certified as anything except crazy! LOL-Just kidding, he was a great teacher, probably because he wsa unconventional. Just made me wonder if you couldn't sneak in somehow, and start having fun? Thanks again, Peter

[BigSix 0]

Sam: More questions, ones I trust might be shared by others who, like myself, (Wonderboy 700 owner) don't have hydraulic lifts and are very envious of yours.... In fact, I have been curious for a while, about the possibility of adding a hydro lift to my 1960 Model 700. I would like to know: 1) What year is your tractor? 2) Was your tractor originally hydrostatic? 3) And while I know yours is an AC, were the early Landlords (1st year 1964?) gear drive, but with a hydraulic lift? Or could you only get a hyd. lift w/ a hydrostatic trans.? 4) If a gear tractor could have a hyd. lift, should I assume it was electrically powered? I seem to remember something about an engine-turned pump built into the tractor? 5) I know I'm showing my ignorance here, but were the first Landlords made on the same "chassis" as the Model 700's, i.e., same trans, rear etc...? 6) If #4 is yes, can the lift system be applied to Model 700? 7) If #5 is yes, do all Landlord attachments through the '60's fit the Wonderboy 700? The captions on the photos were very well done, btw, IMHO, as I could clearly follow what you did, and why. You should teach.... Peter

[SmilinSam 4,245]

Pete, The 64"landlord and the 700/725 are basically the same as far as th lower frame , tranny and front end go. The main difference is that the whole dash/battery box/steering column are completely different. The original lift cylinder kit(landlord & newer) might fit, but I 'd be skeptical of clearance at the front of the cylinder intil I saw one test fitted. The big problem is that there is no place to mount the pump in the 700/725 framework as designed. The 64' landlords and newer were built to accept the pump assemblies. The battery cables are standard automotive. I just took the bolts out and sanwiched the battery posts between the ends to get by with till I go and get a "real" battery with some more juice to it. You have to understand I try to use what I have sitting around rather than go out and buy new hardware, an expense that ads up fast. This way I maintain a better cost efficiency on building my toys. Right now I just started the painstaking task of sorting through the last six months of accumulated parts and parts machines. I have about 3 tractors to split and peel off all the sellable and savable parts and junk the rest.( I hope iron prices go up some this spring, enough to coax my scrap guy to come and get the two trailer loads I wil have rather than have me haul it. I'm looking at the vocational dept's of the public schools, and they do require a certificate (the last time I checked) here in Illinois. The long term plan on the back burner was to pay the house off, work at my folks business till the idea of retirement gets the best of them and then try and get my foot in the door at an area School with a retirement and health plan and go from there.At the moment the house was paid off last week and the wife has been working at the school district for over a year now, so we may have a few toes in already. We will just have to see what the future brings. What do they say?, He who is patient will see his goals met. Enjoy!

[MPH 12]

Sam, a less certified teaching job may be found in a local comm. college. I did a couple hitches teaching nite class on masonry work, fireplaces, flower bins and such that homeowns were into doing. It was a blast doing it as far as the adult students went, and they all gave me an A but my lack of political properness, esp back then, caused fatal problems with the powers had be..Shop class in hi schools around here seem to get the first budget chop, really too bad..MPH

[SmilinSam 4,245]

Year is hard to tell with as many as I have involved in this project , but 1967 and 1968 would cover most. The tractrors I started with were gear drive. Kents tractor has the add on hydraulic lift option that was available starting with the B-10 or Big ten (Landlord/101) Not sure as to the year. It runs from a special pulley mounted in front of the driveshaft on the flywheel which drives a pump mounted above and to the left. Mine runs off the transmission as per the mid 80's design incorporated into the 900 series tractors. Both are hydraulic not electric. Electric lift were created and available beginning on the 3300 or 3400 series 1971 and up. Neither of these three setups will work on the B-1 or the 700/725 as there is not enough room inside the tractor framework the way it is designed. HOWEVER, take a look at the job someone did of putting a lift on the OUTSIDE of the tractor in the "Do it Yourself" section . You could do something like that leaving the only hurtle to tackle being where to mount the pump. I should have went ahead and finished college years ago and got a teaching certificate I guess. Thought real hard about it at the time but ended up going a different direction. Sadly, in my area there are a number of shop or Vocational teachers who really know absolutely nothing about what they are teaching who are just doing it out of the book. The school districts are simply filling positions with persons who hold that little slip of paper that says they know something rather that with people who actually might know something. Makes you wonder what your kids are really learning each day doesn't it?[A href='http://www.simpletractors.com/do_it/add-on_hydrolift.htm']http://www.simpletractors.com/do_it/add-on_hydrolift.htm[/a]

[SmilinSam 4,245]

Beautiful job, Sam..

[SmilinSam 4,245]

The cable I used was the fixed end type apparently available on the 7000 series for a while, but its a little too long. I either need to shorten it 1/2"-1" or get an adjustable cable like on the newer tractors.

[BigSix 0]

Sam: Thanks for the clarification, and for confirming my suspicions about what was similar b/w Landlords and 700's. I'm gonna adopt your cable idea...I like the flexibility it gives you...should o' thought o' it myself. Boy, the mortgage AND a new project completed--congrats on having a great week! Personally, I'd include your tractor buildup presentation/photos in any application you make for teaching--they'll know you can handle the AV/computer aspects of the work already. Good on ya, Peter