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Why no more Sovereigns

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SmilinSam
Thats because they can go to sears and charge it and make payments, and if they don't default on the payments, they can end up paying $6000 for that $4000 machine- which will be pretty well used up by the time its paid for. I still can't figure out what posesses people to max out credit cards at 21% interest.......... and I know a bunch that have.

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AGCO918
You buy what you pay for.If you want to spend $1000.00 on up you get junk.If you spend $5000.00 to $6000.00 you get a loaded unit with power steering and hydralics with a 48 inch deck.BEST money i ever spent on my agco918.IT is sad they dont make them anymore.They looked like a farm tractor more than this aerodamic styling of today.If people wanted this they would buy a car not a tractor. MAYBE they will bring a more improved version out in the next 10 yrs or less like the auto makers do with the cars.I just hope they make it look like a tractor not a space ship with wings. agco918 chad e shafer

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thedaddycat
I bought a 3310 V Landlord for $300, running fine with dozer blade, single bottom plow, power lift(electric), rear lift kit, weights and chains. Guess I got a lot more than I paid for that time.... The Soverign is identical but for a 14 HP instead of my 10 HP. Then again, this is a 1971 tractor I'm talking about.

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Dutch
Marty & Sam, you're both right. I was in Home Depot the other day and saw a man and woman buying a Scotts 25hp w/ 54" deck for $3,999 PLUS a $1,399 tiller PLUS chains, wheel weights, etc. That's over $5,400 plus $324 tax! I'll bet they spent over $6,000. Now I understand used tractors are not for everyone, but the two on eBay are BRAND NEW. Both are being sold by dealers who could offer financing, even though that wasn't stated. Most new tractor buyers do not appear impulsive. They seem to get the sales pitches from Sears, JD, Home Depot, etc. I assume the dealers who had those Sovereigns on eBay had been trying to sell them in their stores for a couple of years. Maybe the day of the Sovereign is just over, except for us nuts.

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Al
Hi, The Sovereign has been a favorite of mine for a number of years. We sold a lot of them as 7100s on up. They are a tough tractor and macho looking. The thing that happened was loss of market. The last years they were built, our sales of them were down. The Legacy is one heck of a tough tractor also and is very popular In the 20-48 version is priced not that far from where the Sovereign was and has a lot more appeal to most new tractor buyers. If you look at the Legacy, you will note it is tougher built, easier to work on and basicly simpler than the Sun Star. If you don't think so look at all the linkage etc. under the dash of a Sun Star. This stuff costs a lot to make and is more diffuclt to maintain. The Legacy is definitely a move to the real meaning of Simplicity. Tough, full featured,simple and tough built. This is because the Sovereign was a very expensive tractor to manufacture. The Frame stamping stops at the crossdrive, then more plates to the rear. The rear end was Simplicity built and relatively low volume compared to the Peerles that the Legacy, John Deere and others use in higher volumes. Add the crossdrive and the costs go up. Look at the Landlord, The frame is simpler to manufacture [one long stamping] The engine is belt connected to the transmission, the drive to the mower is a straight shot to the deck. The steering is softer and I believe it turns slightly shorter. These tractors are tough and reliable also and priced significantly lower. I know it kind of smarts, but market place drives ALL industries and I guess it just crawled up on the Sovereigns. In the last 2 or 3 years of Sovereigns, the Landlords came from behind to passing the Soveriegns to about 5 to 1 at our place. My thoughts on the issue. Remember they are free so value accordingly. Al Eden

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Marion_Kerr
Alot of people like the shiny paint and financing and etc. and don't really understand or get into the meat and potatoes about the mechanics and durability of a machine. The throw-away society thing is pretty much prevalent.

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