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AC710

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AC710

I'm getting into a rehab project while waiting for transmission parts. I've found some interesting fixes: Previous owners have done some creative things that are interesting, at least!

One guy painted over the hood with reasonably close simplicity orange, but then painted the black steering panels with oversprayed ... RED????

Another one replaced the voltage regulator but was too lazy to put it behind the battery, so hung it and all the wires outside???

the last guy had trouble with the battery going dead, so added a heavy duty battery cut-out switch, but didn't look at the corroded, rusty and maladjusted regulator???

Another one mounted a snowplow but replaced the spring in the lifting rod with a piece of pipe - that has resulted in bad rod wear, oval-ed out holes, and it actually twisted the rockshaft arm. I also found out the front axle pivot bolt and hole are really worn open (no pix of this).?????

Another one replaced a broken engine-to-BGB driveshaft disc with a rectangular hunk of 3/16" steel. Holes drilled in an "X" rather than 90 degrees. I wondered why there was so much vibration in the motor?????

Someone replaced a front wheel with a John Deere yellow one, but the bearings were set too deep so the lock ring couldn't be tightened. A couple of 59-cent spacer washers fixed that.

I'm sure there is more interesting stuff to come. 

 

 

 

 

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victorsnc

At first I thought you were describing various "no-mind fixes" that you had encountered over the years, THEN looking at the pictures it appears these were ALL on the SAME tractor!  Poor tractor - bless it's heart!

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MrSteele

If someone besides my grandson gets he tractor I am working on, he will find a nylon bushing at the rear front end pivot, Poor Man's Power Steering, a hard bushed front bearing housing at the BGB, new wiring(to me) in plastic conduit, possibly a nylon bushing in the front pivot on the front end. Timkin roller bearings in the front wheels, with a seal working against a hardened spacer instead of the front axle(will post pics of that with sizes and part numbers when I get the spacers from the machine shop). That improvement should keep the wheel hubs from wearing on the spindles. I am trying to tighten up the front end, while making it easier to maneuver. In the process, anything that can be bushed with newer material, IS being bushed with new material

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AC710
5 hours ago, MrSteele said:

If someone besides my grandson gets he tractor I am working on, he will find a nylon bushing at the rear front end pivot, Poor Man's Power Steering, a hard bushed front bearing housing at the BGB, new wiring(to me) in plastic conduit, possibly a nylon bushing in the front pivot on the front end. Timkin roller bearings in the front wheels, with a seal working against a hardened spacer instead of the front axle(will post pics of that with sizes and part numbers when I get the spacers from the machine shop). That improvement should keep the wheel hubs from wearing on the spindles. I am trying to tighten up the front end, while making it easier to maneuver. In the process, anything that can be bushed with newer material, IS being bushed with new material

Your fixes sound more like improvements, and if I saw them I would say "hey that's cool". But these guys are just doofus'es. The list doesn't include what was done to screw up the transmission. That's in my other "7106 wont back up" thread. Yes - they are all on one  machine! Acutally, it is in decent shape and the fixes for these things will not be too costly. I just don't like the  baling wire approach for long-term maintenance.

And speaking of you-tube mechanics, the worst one I saw a few years back was a guy adapting a snow plow on a  large-frame Simplicity to operate with what he called a "power steering gear". He scrapped the tractor hood, welded on a bunch of angle iron brackets to the front frame and mounted the steering gear vertically to raise and lower the plow, an ugly but workable fix. He described it all with great video and narrative. The only thing was, the "steering gear" was a simplicity lift actuator, complete with brackets and switch that he could have bolted to the rock shaft where it belonged and had a factory-perfect setup!

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RAC

Shade Tree Mechanic.... So just what's wrong with doing mechanic work under the shade tree?sm03

Made my share of "improvements", usually try to do one better than the original, but that's often in the eye of the beholder. I've un-done some really dumb stuff too, but some may think the same about some of my work. I don't get too hung up on the way the original engineer might've done something, just for the sake of keeping it factory. More interested in "using" it than restoring it.

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MARK (LI)

Why be mad at the previous owner?....he did what he had to do to keep it going without any body to guide him along...and that is likely why you would up with the tractor...what you showed in above pictures was visible, so you must have gotten a decent deal for yourself...look at the bright side of things :D

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AC710

Whoa..., I'm not really mad, I just liked the P.O./P.O.  connection for a title. I got this tractor expecting a project, and that's what it is. Mostly I am experiencing the consequences of some poor decisions and pointing out what can happen - like results of taking the spring out of the lift arm and mounting the regulator out in the weather. I hope to get it back to a more factory-like layout and appearance. 

I am a champion fix it up engineer, not "shade tree" but maybe "shade garage" because it's too cold in Northern Montana when I'm doing this stuff, but kudos to everyone who can keep-em runnin!

I bought this tractor for $250 because it had a good 46" simplicity plow. I wanted to upgrade from the sears plow I had adapted to my 710. I think I got a good deal on the plow and a free project tractor, to boot

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MARK (LI)

I looked at the video...I don't know what I like more...the wiring job on the battery or that precise adjustment he made with that fine quality tool...you know...that piece of angle iron....forgot about the bungee cords holding the battery down...although I was in either HD or Lowes recently and opened a hood on a tractor...either a JD or CC and the battery hold down from the factory is a plastic cable tie

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AC710
17 hours ago, MARK (LI) said:

I looked at the video...I don't know what I like more...the wiring job

I think it's really unfortunate to take what was a decent-looking vintage tractor and do this to it.  :( Especially when he started with the right stuff. I couldn't find the original video of the first mod, but it's pretty shocking.

He seems to have discovered the rock shaft and that it would work for a blade-angling attachment. I'm curious to see what he will use for an operating lever since the original is missing. Most likely angle iron. The battery install is truly awe-inspiring along with the wiring. I'll bet the charging system doesn't work, so it would be easy to access for a charging or replacement.

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Simplicity7013H

Geez! That's one of the craziest machines I have seen! Thankfully, I haven't run into one that bad so far. That B208 I picked up a while back was wired with regular 12ga house wire. 

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On 1/7/2019 at 2:20 PM, AC710 said:

Your fixes sound more like improvements, and if I saw them I would say "hey that's cool". But these guys are just doofus'es. The list doesn't include what was done to screw up the transmission. That's in my other "7106 wont back up" thread. Yes - they are all on one  machine! Acutally, it is in decent shape and the fixes for these things will not be too costly. I just don't like the  baling wire approach for long-term maintenance.

And speaking of you-tube mechanics, the worst one I saw a few years back was a guy adapting a snow plow on a  large-frame Simplicity to operate with what he called a "power steering gear". He scrapped the tractor hood, welded on a bunch of angle iron brackets to the front frame and mounted the steering gear vertically to raise and lower the plow, an ugly but workable fix. He described it all with great video and narrative. The only thing was, the "steering gear" was a simplicity lift actuator, complete with brackets and switch that he could have bolted to the rock shaft where it belonged and had a factory-perfect setup!

I saw that video too. I think I even commented on it. Couldn't think of anything nice to say though........... 

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dhoadley
8 hours ago, Simplicity7013H said:

Geez! That's one of the craziest machines I have seen! Thankfully, I haven't run into one that bad so far. That B208 I picked up a while back was wired with regular 12ga house wire. 

Elliot, good to hear from you again. dOd

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AC710

I  couldn't locate the original video where he mounted the snowplow, but I believe he even showed where he cut the lifting arm off the plow frame because it was in the way (looks like an older model frame that did need adjustment to work on that tractor). It's just astounding.!

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AC710
16 hours ago, Chris727 said:

My 7013 Baron had the same regulator mod when purchased. Still have the pic from probably 2004.

I'll bet that fix is on page 13 of the  "Shade tree mechanic service manual". It does work, and a lot easier to hook up than the OEM model buried under the dashboard.

I think Simplicity/Allis had some brilliant engineers that designed the large frame tractors. They're reliable, clean, accessible and repairable, but everyone has a few glitches in their plans.

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