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Crgsds

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Hello,

My first time posting here. Great forum! I was wondering if anyone here can tell me the model number of my Simplicity Sovereign Hydro 18 Tractor. The plate that the model/serial number on it is unreadable. Included is a picture of it. I want to get a rototiller and I need the model number for the tractor to do that. Any other information that's pertinent to my tractor would be appreciated. I'm currently going through the files here also. Thank you for your knowledge in advance!

Kelly

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The plate you pictured is the engine ID plate. The tractor model plate is down on the frame of the tractor. Model number will be a  169XXXX number. Pretty sure others in here will have some suggestions if that tag is unreadable too.

As far as a tiller goes, any 36" tiller made for the 7000 and 7100 series will work, as well as a few older than those.  You would also need a rear lift setup too. The ones made for the 7100 series and newer would work best as they have an adjustable  end on the cable.

Nice thing about these tractors is you have about 30 years of attachments  that will fit right up.

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Your tractor is most likely Mfg. No. 1692796. The 36" tiller is Mfg. No. 1690039. The 38" HD tiller is Mfg. No. 1690287. Like Sam stated, to mount the tiller a rear lift kit is needed, Mfg. No. 169404 and the rear PTO drive kit, Mfg. No. 1685225. Go to the simplicitymfg website and use the Mfg. Nos. to download owners manuals and IPLs. Some of the parts are NLA from Simplicity but with patience can be found.

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thedaddycat

You might try to do a rubbing of that ID plate. Take a sheet of paper and a pencil and rub the pencil over the stamped in ID. Maybe it will work, maybe not. But what's it going to cost you, 5 minutes of your time? 

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Thank you guys for all of the information!!!!  I learned a few new things today. I'm excited to get working on the tractor!

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7 hours ago, Crgsds said:

Thank you guys for all of the information!!!!  I learned a few new things today. I'm excited to get working on the tractor!

Something else you might want to look into when you get to working on it  is that it looks like the previous owner installed a tall filter on the transmission.   While the tall ones will mechanically  work, they actually made a shorter filter to put on the side mount setups  for more clearance between the tire and the filter. If it were me,  I'd change the filter.

Running the tall filter and using chains on the tires is usually a problem depending on the type of tire.

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On 6/22/2021 at 7:24 PM, thedaddycat said:

You might try to do a rubbing of that ID plate. Take a sheet of paper and a pencil and rub the pencil over the stamped in ID. Maybe it will work, maybe not. But what's it going to cost you, 5 minutes of your time? 

We did that and perfect idea. MN: 1692143. SN:3586 Thank you!

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On 6/21/2021 at 7:27 AM, SmilinSam said:

The plate you pictured is the engine ID plate. The tractor model plate is down on the frame of the tractor. Model number will be a  169XXXX number. Pretty sure others in here will have some suggestions if that tag is unreadable too.

As far as a tiller goes, any 36" tiller made for the 7000 and 7100 series will work, as well as a few older than those.  You would also need a rear lift setup too. The ones made for the 7100 series and newer would work best as they have an adjustable  end on the cable.

Nice thing about these tractors is you have about 30 years of attachments  that will fit right up.

Than you, you were right on the model number info. 🙂

Not sure what you mean by adjustable cable on the lift but I'll research it. I'm still very new to all this as you can tell!

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:01 AM, Bill725 said:

Your tractor is most likely Mfg. No. 1692796. The 36" tiller is Mfg. No. 1690039. The 38" HD tiller is Mfg. No. 1690287. Like Sam stated, to mount the tiller a rear lift kit is needed, Mfg. No. 169404 and the rear PTO drive kit, Mfg. No. 1685225. Go to the simplicitymfg website and use the Mfg. Nos. to download owners manuals and IPLs. Some of the parts are NLA from Simplicity but with patience can be found.

Would those model numbers for the parts still apply if the model number is MN: 1692143? We chalk rubbed the plate as suggested and got the MN.  Thanks for all the detailed info!

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:06 AM, PhanDad said:

You have the first model of the “new” Sovereigns. It is model #1692143. It’s identified by the white wheels.  
See this post for discussion of the late model Sovereigns:

https://simpletractors.com/forums/topic/56470-looking-for-info-on-the-sovereign-18-hydro/

 

You win the MN identification prize! Not sure what the prize is 😉but thank you so much and I'll read that discussion!

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On 6/23/2021 at 7:30 AM, SmilinSam said:

Something else you might want to look into when you get to working on it  is that it looks like the previous owner installed a tall filter on the transmission.   While the tall ones will mechanically  work, they actually made a shorter filter to put on the side mount setups  for more clearance between the tire and the filter. If it were me,  I'd change the filter.

Running the tall filter and using chains on the tires is usually a problem depending on the type of tire.

Ummm, tall filter? Oh geez, I have a lot to learn! Than you for pointing it out though. I'll get that done. 🙂

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This is the engine nameplate from a MFG #1692143 I had at one time:

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If the engine is original, your engine would be the same, the spec# (62513) is what you need to get the correct replacement parts.  

Short or medium filter (not sure which):

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The part #s in  @Bill725's post are all valid; see this post for rear lift info (and cable end difference @SmilinSam mentioned):  

https://simpletractors.com/forums/topic/65927-sleeve-hitch-for-17gth-l/?tab=comments#comment-526693 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Crgsds said:

Ummm, tall filter?

There are three different size hydrostatic filters.  All are 25 Micron Filters.

Long - #1650954

Mid-Sized - #1709322

Short - #1671234

The one in the photo above from @PhanDad, is the mid sized filter.

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After seeing @ShaunE 's post above, I'm not sure if the filter I pictured above is short or medium.

 

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10 minutes ago, ShaunE said:

There are three different size hydrostatic filters.  All are 25 Micron Filters.

Long - #1650954

Mid-Sized - #1709322

Short - #1671234

The one in the photo above from @PhanDad, is the mid sized filter.

This must be the short one:

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2 hours ago, ShaunE said:

There are three different size hydrostatic filters.  All are 25 Micron Filters.

Long - #1650954

Mid-Sized - #1709322

Short - #1671234

The one in the photo above from @PhanDad, is the mid sized filter.

Been playing with these tractors almost 30 years now and never realized there were actually 3 sizes...

In all that time I have only ever had  2 filter numbers stapled to the" parts wall"

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