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Mindy

New here. Need help with AC 616 manuf. number

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Mindy
Hi all. I first have to say how glad I am to have found this great resource. It helped give me the courage to make our latest purchase. An AC 616 in a box. Well, not literally, but it is in several pieces. We figured it was worth the risk after searching for a couple of months for a compact tractor to take care of our 3 acres. Geesh, I had no idea how pricey some of the newer stuff is. Anyway, it came with the service manual, but I would like to get the operator's manual. Unfortunately, the plate with the serial and manufacturer's number is unreadable. I was hoping someone else with a similar vintage 616 might be able to give me help with a manuf. number. The plate on the engine says 1972, although the guy who sold it to us said it was a '69. But it's the 616 that looks very similar to the 620. The gal at Simplicity was having trouble finding anything but the newer ('80s I think) 600 series mowers. She couldn't find anything else referring to the 616, except for the Powermax series. One other question. Any suggestions for other books that might be helpful in getting us started. Something like Tractor Repair for Dummies, perhaps? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure this will the first of many questions. I'll post pictures as soon as I get the digital camera out. Thanks, Mindy

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Mindy The 616 is in the powermax series It's possable to have a 1972 number on your motor but the tractor to be newer the year you are seeing is the year the motor was made. the motor might have been changed The powermax series were made between 1970 and 1974. The MFG# FOR A 616 is 2020185 You can download manuals at this site just enter your MFG# GOOD LUCK [url]http://www.simplicitytechpubs.com/techpubsearch.php#start[/url] Also try doing a search on the simple tractors side of this site, Key words Powermax, 616, even try the MFG# 2020185 This & $1.00 might get you a small Coffee Maynard aka/UCD

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Mindy
Thank you. That clears up a lot. The Simplicity gal was insisting that the 616 was not part of the Powermax series, although it was the only thing that matched what I knew of the tractor. Now I've got lots more to read since I had read everything that came up when I searched on just 616. Thanks again, Mindy

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Dutch
The first 616 was a PowrMax > http://www.simpletractors.com/models/600_series/ac_616.htm Then there was another 616, which is a small garden tractor that compares to a Simplicity 5000 series > http://www.simpletractors.com/X-reference/ac_s_pg3.htm Manufacturers do these things to "help" everyone.

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Mindy Here is a Manual on Ebay [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051966879[/url] [url]http://www.simpletractors.com/club2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9149[/url] Anything free is worth what you pay for it This & $1.00 might get you a small Coffee Maynard aka/UCD

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Mindy, Dutch is absolutely correct about there being two AC 616's. To the best of my knowledge, the "big" 616 was equivalent to a Simplicity 4040. These were the first in the powermax series and were built between 1970 and 1972. They had an Onan 16.5 HP CCKA engine. In 1973-74 they upgraded the motor to an Onan CCKB 19.5 hp with a 20Amp alternator and changed the model numbers to AC620 and Simplicity 4041. The 1975 and newer models had very minor improvements to the 620/4041 but the model #'s were again upgraded to AC720 and Simplicity 9020. Some AC616 and S4040 tractors may have had motors replaced in their lifetime and in doing so may have been upgraded to the 19.5 HP Onan.

Paul Kjorlie, The Norwegian

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