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Couple of B-10 questions

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alanscott
Is this a common frame weakness? It has a hachet weld on both sides of the frame in the same spots. I have been thinking about stripping it down this winter and was wondering if I should fabricate support plates for the inside of the frame in these areas. [img]http://home.attbi.com/~alan_scott/DSC00061.JPG[/img] and here is the other side. http://home.attbi.com/~alan_scott/DSC00062.JPG Why would someone bend the shift guide tabs out of the way like this? I can see no point in it but it's obvious that it was done on purpose. [img]http://home.attbi.com/~alan_scott/DSC00063.JPG[/img] Third gear does not work in the transmission but hopefully that's just a sheared key. I'll know more when I take it apart. thanks!

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thedaddycat
It looks like the welded repair relocated the BGB back slightly, causing the shifter to hit the tabs when trying to engage the gears. I had to relocate the shift handle on my 3310 when I added the support plates to it and they only moved the BGB back by 3/16". The keys for the first two shafts are full length, all the gears on those shafts share a common key. They're not cheap, ten or twelve bucks each I think. I have seen welds on that area of a few tractors. The 2012 had them which is why I swapped frames with the Landlord for the restoration. One of my 725s has them too. The BGB is commonly sited as the weak point of this design, perhaps on some of these tractors the cross plate welds are the weakest link....

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BLT
You would have to call Simplicity and see if you could wrangle them out of a blue print. It kind of falls under the category of proprietary information and even though they are vey good people that might be pushing it a stretch. Best bet would be to get some dimension data from people here who are restoring them. And that's a pretty critical dimensional area. You have to be dead straight from all angles.

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G.Kiebler
Alan, It maybe easier to locate a parts tractor,to cut the frame and weld it back to factory dimensions would be quite an under taking. Deals are around,I just found a 101 landlrd at a sale for 5 bucks.

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KSever
Kirk, In fact there is a B-112 frame on there right now. And I believe it's still at $9.99. Looks to me like there is a difference though where BGB mounts. Seems to have an extension that goes back along side the BGB. Am I right? [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20544&item=2085434572[/url] [img]http://members.aol.com/dougsblu65/myhomepage//acframe.jpg[/img]

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Rob-B
yes you are correct, there is a difference in the frame from a "B10/12, Big Ten" and the "B 100/200 " series tractor. the differences are not only in the extentions beyond the end of the frame but also in the shape of the frame in the shifter area. the B-10 frame is more of a "V" where the B-100/200 is a more of a "Y" shape. all of my tractors have had the same welds on them too. you might check with art over in long island he might have an extra frame. rob

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thedaddycat
The way the cross plate is welded right to the end of the frame, it reminds me of the 700/725 frames. Is this an early or late B-10? One thing I noticed about the frame above and also with the frame of the 2210 I took the hydraulic lift from is that they both have a tube welded into the frame on the right side of the tractor. This tube is not on either of the frames of that general type (Landlord or 2012) I have, but is present on the 2210. I know this tube is not on the 3310 either, though it is in the area where the front PTO engagement lever should mount. Here are views of both sides of it, the tip of the line up punch is actually sticking into it on one pic.

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Kent
Kirk, That tube is for the speed control lever for the variable speeds and Vickers hydrostats. Hmmm... none of my three Big Ten frames have/had that repair. Makes me think about the 2012 with loader that I need to pick up from Sam... wonder if I should just go ahead and plan on reinforcing it. Here's what the 2012 currently has for reinforcements, but I was thinking of scrapping this frame and building a Big Ten (likely with the 12HP motor) for it... [img]http://a5.cpimg.com/image/83/A9/9917315-f0d9-028001E0-.jpg[/img] [img]http://a1.cpimg.com/image/FD/A5/9917181-fd52-028001E0-.jpg[/img] Hmmm.... may just try cleaning up this mess and using these reinforcements. I like the way they allow you to unbolt them to separate the tractor.

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KSever
Kent, That tractor must have had the same problem with the tabs on the gear shifter. Notice that are none, just a square cutout. But yes I think I would keep with the same reinforcement already done. But it depends what it looks like WHEN you pick it up :)

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thedaddycat
Kent, if you want them you can have both the first prototype (diamond plate) plates and the templates I used to make the final version of the support plates. I went back and looked at the pic of the right side of the 3310. It has the tube(sort of) but it doesn't stick out on the outside of the frame like the others mentioned above. The frame penetration also seems to be located farther back on those frames than on the 3310, looking at it in relation to the lift shaft and brake pedal. Another difference is that the 3300 has an inverted frame, opening towards the ground instead of upwards, so maybe it's just an illusion.

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Kent
Kirk, I may take you up on those reinforcements -- but let me get the tractor in hand, first, and check it out.... Yes, the hole for the variable speed/hydro control lever is much farther back on the B-series or pre-3300 Simplicities. I saw that first hand when I was trying to figure out where to locate the hydro control on my conversion. Though I intentionally moved it slightly farther ahead (maybe 1/2") of the 7016's location, this picture gives a good idea of the difference in location. [img]http://www.simpletractors.com/images/var_hydro/vertical.jpg[/img]

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