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B-10 Vs. Big Ten

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Kent
I don't know the actual numbers produced... as far as I know there's no records of that. But, since the early B-10 (9 HP) was only produced in 1964, while the Big Ten was produced in 1965 and 1966, then I'd certainly guess there are fewer of them in existance.... Is "rareness" the only consideration?

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jrosenboom
I'm not really sure what I'm going for. I plan on attending shows with it. I'd like to have something that is less likely to have a "twin" at a show. Both, I'm sure, are likely to have repeats. The attachments are probably more important. I am very open to any ideas on this subject! THANKS KENT!!

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thedaddycat
Do you plan on using parts from one to complete the other? If not, why not do both? If only doing one, I personally would do the earlier of any two. As time passes parts obviously will get scarcer and you'll have a better chance of finding parts for the newer one five or ten years from now if you decide to restore it at that time.

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Kent
Fred, You are correct, and I stand corrected... based on some of the info I have. The early B-10 was introduced some time in 1963 and produced through at least part of 1964. Interestingly, the [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/simplicity/new_in_1963/new_in_1963.htm"]1963 Simplicity brochure [/url]has the Model 725 (i.e. B-1) in it, not the 9HP Landlord. Also, according to the info in both the [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/X-reference/ac_s_pg1.htm"]AC cross-reference [/url] and [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/X-reference/s_ac_pg1.htm"]Simplicity cross-reference [/url] tables , the Big Ten was produced only in 1965... yet, the [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/models/b_series/big_ten/big_ten.htm"]sales brochure introducing the Big Ten [/url] that I have on the site was dated June 1964, while the [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/simplicity/new_in_1964.htm"]Sep 64 Simplicity brochure[/url] was still selling the 9HP Landlord... and dealers could still order Big Tens in [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/X-reference/s_ac_pg1.htm"] September 1967[/url]... Anyone want to figure out exactly when what was made? The Simplicity [url="http://www.simpletractors.com/made_when/1964-1967.htm"] "Made When" [/url]section shows the 9HP Landlord (early B-10) made in 1963 and 1964, while the Landlord 101 (Big Ten)was made only in 1965. I give up! ;)

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fredwood
Yeah Kent trying to figure out some of thre particulars for these or any of the old stuff does tend to get you pulling your hair out. Maybe we should say circa and then the date. That might cover our donkey. Fred Wood

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lboy1971
Kent, When Simplicity was making the 9hp Landlord for themselves was only the early B10 available to Allis? And whem Simp. was making the 101 was only the Big Ten avaiable to Allis? Could Simplicity or Allis have made their own design and model changes separate from each other? I know Simplicity made them all but maybe Allis changed theirs before or after Simplicity changed? When Allis came out with the WD45 you could still order a WD. Same thing when they came out with the D17, you could still order a new WD45. Those situations lasted for about a year.Allis liked to use up their inventory.

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Kent
Lloyd, I don't know for sure, but I'd seriously doubt that Simplcity and Allis were running different models of the basic tractors off the same assembly line at one time. I can't see them making a 9HP version and a 10HP version at the same time, unless they had built up a huge inventory of 9HP engines, for example, that they needed to get rid of. Instead, I think it was as you suggested -- they built up fairly large inventories of completed tractors and those took a while to clear out of the distributor and dealer channels.... Consequently, I could understand that while they were "marketing and pushing" the latest version of one brand, they were still publishing catalogs and advertising the older version of the other brand, trying to clear out existing inventory....

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lboy1971
Kent. When Allis was making the D14 tractor they were using 149 Cubic inch engines. They planned on using a bigger, 163 cubic inch?, engine in the D15 when it replaced the D14. The last few hundred, maybe thousand, D14's came with the bigger engine. They were testing their reliability. Then when they switched over to the D15 tractor they had a supply of the smaller 149 engines left so they used them up in the early D15s then switched to the bigger engine.

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